A Bit Of Perspective, Please?
Posted by MyLaowai on Wednesday, July 8, 2009
On the 1st of September 1939, the Nazi’s invaded and subsequently annexed Poland. In April 1940 the Nazi’s were at it again, invading Denmark and Norway. In May, France and the Low Countries were invaded.
In each case, the Nazi’s were successful, defeating their victims and then launching crackdowns and pogroms that eventually led to the deaths of millions.
The Free World went to war on behalf of the victims of Nazi oppression, and supported materially the various resistance groups who were fighting the Nazi scourge from within. It was not an easy thing to do, but it was the right thing to do, and the end result was that the Nazi’s were defeated, the peoples they had subjugated were liberated, and the world was made a better place.
It’s a terrible story with a happy ending, but here’s another, similar, story for you to consider:
In 1949 the Chinese Communist Party seized power from the legal government of China, and the dictator Mao Zedong immediately ordered the invasion and subsequent annexation of China’s culturally superior but militarily weak neighbours East Turkestan (or what later came to be known as Xinjiang, meaning New Frontier) and Mongolia. The following year, the Red Army was at it again, invading Tibet, and carving it up into several provinces, each of which was to become a part of New China.
In each case, the Communists were successful, defeating their victims and then launching crackdowns and pogroms that eventually led to the deaths of millions.
The Free World, tired from WWII and busy fighting to keep the Chinese from over-running and occupying the Korean Peninsula, did nothing.
And thus it was that the various resistance groups fighting the CCP scourge received little or no support and the peoples of these occupied nations were never freed from the tyranny of Communist Occupation.
There’s been a lot of talk in the media recently about how violence is bad and how all sides should be nice to one another and about how innocent people are being hurt. But here’s a thought for you: How would you feel if your nation had been invaded by brutal, murderous thugs? How would you feel if your new colonial masters set about systematically destroying your livelihood, banning you from practising your religion, taking apart your temples and churches, imprisoning your political and spiritual leaders, conducting mass sterilisations of your womenfolk, flooding your country with settlers, banning you from speaking your language and denying work to you if you tried? How would you feel if your nation’s ancient cities were bulldozed to make way for concrete accommodation blocks for the new settlers, while you were relegated to the countryside? How would you feel if, instead of this occupation lasting a mere six years, as it did in Nazi Europe, it had lasted sixty years and there was still no end in sight, and no sign at all of anything getting any better?
Would it be fair to say that you would continue turning the other cheek, and simply accept it? Or would it perhaps be more accurate to suggest that you might feel that you were entitled to strike back?
I challenge you to name a single example in human history, where an occupied nation was freed without the use of force of some kind.
These ‘rioters’ are nothing of the sort. They are freedom fighters, and they are heroes. And we in the Free World have let them down, badly. I for one applaud their bravery, their courage, and their spirit, and though I do not see how they can win freedom by this or indeed any course of action at all, I admire them for trying. It is, after all, better to die standing than to live on your knees, at least according to Emiliano Zapata.
Please feel free to disagree with me on this. But don’t bother bleating your whiney platitudes here, unless you actually have some experience of having seen your family, your culture, and your nation subjugated by a brutal totalitarian regime. For all you pink-spectacled tossers, why not go somewhere else where you can wring your hands about the wrong group of people being democratically elected in Iran?
If you are Han and wish to make a complaint, please write to GloriousMotherland@Lies4U.com
Wo Shi Laowai - Wo Pa Shui 
Meursault said
Hear hear!
S said
So Mr Mylaowai, as the spirited, couragous and brave representative of the “Free World”, Shanghai Branch, when are you going to put down your martini glass, get your fat arse off the couch, catch the next plane over “East Turkestan” and join the “Freedom fighters” in their jihad against the Red Army?
justrecently said
You are asking Mylaowai to engage in splittist activities, stoogie? Are you sure that this is in a patriot’s code?
MyFenwai said
There’s been a lot of talk in the media recently about how violence is bad and how all sides should be nice to one another and about how innocent people are being hurt. But here’s a thought for you: How would you feel if your nation had been invaded by brutal, murderous thugs? How would you feel if your new colonial masters set about systematically destroying your livelihood, banning you from practising your religion, taking apart your temples and churches, imprisoning your political and spiritual leaders, conducting mass sterilisations of your womenfolk, flooding your country with settlers, banning you from speaking your language and denying work to you if you tried?
This is exactly how the native Han Chinese feel about the “Uighur” (actually a bunch of cultureless Uzbeks) invasions of 1860 and on.
MyFenwai said
On the 1st of September 1939, the Nazi’s invaded and subsequently annexed Poland. In April 1940 the Nazi’s were at it again, invading Denmark and Norway. In May, France and the Low Countries were invaded.
In each case, the Nazi’s were successful, defeating their victims and then launching crackdowns and pogroms that eventually led to the deaths of millions.
The Free World went to war on behalf of the victims of Nazi oppression, and supported materially the various resistance groups who were fighting the Nazi scourge from within. It was not an easy thing to do, but it was the right thing to do, and the end result was that the Nazi’s were defeated, the peoples they had subjugated were liberated, and the world was made a better place.
It’s a terrible story with a happy ending, but here’s another, similar, story for you to consider:
In the 1650s the Inbred White Subhumans seized power from the legal government of the coastal Americas, and England immediately ordered the invasion and subsequent annexation of the honkey colonists’ culturally superior but militarily weak neighbours the Powhatan Confederation(or what later came to be known as Virginia, meaning “My Sister Before Last Night”) and the Cherokee Nations. The following year, the American proto-Nazi Army was at it again, invading the Iroquois Five Nations, and carving it up into several provinces, each of which was to become a part of New Klansland.
In each case, the Nazis were successful, defeating their victims and then launching crackdowns and pogroms that eventually led to the deaths of millions.
The Free World, tired from European genocides and busy fighting to keep the white subhuman scum from over-running and occupying Mexico and the Philippines, did nothing.
And thus it was that the various resistance groups fighting the Nazi scourge received little or no support and the peoples of these occupied nations were never freed from the tyranny of White Subhuman Occupation. Only the brave and selfless Muslims dare to take direct action against white subhuman filth.
There’s been a lot of talk in the media recently about how violence is bad and how all sides should be nice to one another and about how innocent people are being hurt. But here’s a thought for you: How would you feel if your nation had been invaded by brutal, murderous thugs? How would you feel if your new colonial masters set about systematically destroying your livelihood, chasing you off of your sacred ancestral lands, taking apart your temples and desecrating your hunting grounds, imprisoning your political and spiritual leaders, conducting mass rape of your womenfolk, flooding your country with settlers, banning you from speaking your language and denying work to you if you tried? How would you feel if your nation’s ancient settlements were bulldozed to make way for concrete accommodation blocks for the new settlers, while you were relegated to the countryside? How would you feel if, instead of this occupation lasting a mere six years, as it did in Nazi Europe, it had lasted four hundred years and there was still no end in sight, and no sign at all of anything getting any better?
Would it be fair to say that you would continue turning the other cheek, and simply accept it? Or would it perhaps be more accurate to suggest that you might feel that you were entitled to strike back?
I challenge you to name a single example in human history, where an occupied nation was freed without the use of force of some kind.
If the Native Americans rose up and killed every single white man, woman, child, and infant they would not be criminals. They would be freedom fighters, and they would be heroes. And we in the Free World have let them down, badly. I for one hope that their bravery, their courage, and their spirit will allow them to prevail against the white vermin. Though I do not see how they can win freedom by this or indeed any course of action at all, I admire them for trying. It is, after all, better to die standing than to live on your knees, at least according to Emiliano Zapata.
Please feel free to disagree with me on this. But don’t bother bleating your whiney platitudes here, unless you actually have some experience of having seen your family, your culture, and your nation subjugated by a brutal slave-owning Jew and white dominated oligarch. For all you pink-spectacled tossers, why not go somewhere else where you can wring your hands about the wrong group of people being democratically elected in Iran?
LoveChinaLongTime said
Han Chinese, aided and abetted by propaganda handlers, are always on the prowl to destroy some form of culture or another, be it their own or others.
Unfortunately, in the name of mending the world’s economic woes, nothing will be pressed regarding the systemic abuses of human rights and destruction of culture. A lucky time in history for the Chinese gov’t overlords, indeed. Notice I don’t lump “The Chinese” in general in with this? It’s because a vast majority of pathetic, guanxiless, common Chinese are also being held down. Small rays of light like the mass reaction in favor of the spa girl that diced and sliced the jabba gov’t official that tried to rape her shows the feelings. Anger should be redirected not as an “ethnic” thing but rather as a “mis-governance” thing.
MyFenwai said
White Subhumans, aided and abetted by propaganda handlers and so-called globalization, are always on the prowl to destroy some form of culture or another, be it their own or others.
Unfortunately, in the name of mending the world’s economic woes, nothing will be pressed regarding the systemic abuses of human rights and destruction of culture. A lucky time in history for the American gov’t overlords, indeed. Notice I don’t lump “The Whites” in general in with this? It’s because a tiny minority of pathetic, slave, common Whites are also being held down. Anger should be redirected not as an “all whites” thing but rather as a “95% of whites” thing.
S said
@3,
Are you suggesting Mr Mylaowai is all talk and no action?
Are you suggesting Mr Mylaowai is not spirited, courageous and brave ?
Are you suggesting My Mylaowai is no fit for the respected office of chief representative of the “Free World”, Shanghai Branch.
How about you take over the job ?
PS.
do a CTRL+H and replace “Nazi” with “German people”, it would make a lot more sense.
Ned Kelly said
MyFenwai, this:
“If the Native Americans rose up and killed every single white man, woman, child, and infant they would not be criminals…I for one hope that their bravery, their courage, and their spirit will allow them to prevail against the white vermin. Though I do not see how they can win freedom by this or indeed any course of action at all, I admire them for trying.”
…is incitement to racial violence and murder. The FBI has been notified. And believe me, they know where you live.
S said
oh what a shame, the infamous outlaw colluding with the authorities.
Matt said
After carefully reading many comments, and much consideration, I am prepared to offer the following preliminary conclusion: MyFenwai is a cretinous slithering vile wretch and an absolutely colossal fuckhead.
Also, MyLaowai, thanks for keeping us in the loop. Nice to see a reality based perspective.
justrecently said
@ #8, stoogie: we had our discussion about my country before. Go back to it and read there.
As for Mylaowai, I’m not suggesting anything in particular. I don’t know if or to which degree he may be engaging in splittist activities – and I don’t expect him to discuss this on his blog. But I’m certainly surprised that you are asking for more action.
A bit of advice for you – free of charge, because a somewhat more meaningful discussion will be useful for everyone -, don’t expect everybody’s motivation to be similar to your own. Mylaowai stated his views here. It may not be enough for you to state your own view, and you may wish to “represent” something. But Mylaowai hasn’t claimed to be a representative. I suggest that you go and read some commenter threads where people of different cultures – and fundamentally different opinions – manage to have discussions about issues. Go and learn from them. And if you are still concerned about Germany, take a look at Myfenwai, and offer him some racism-free reeducation.
all talk and no action.
Sheesh.
S said
the forever wise and rational JR, always ready to give out free advice,but you know when something is free, it doesnt worth much if at all.
Mylaowai’s blog for meaningful discussions ? — are you being serious? what drugs are you on ?
justrecently said
but you know when something is free, it doesnt worth much if at all.
Stoogie, you live in a pretty murky world. Not that I’d compare myself to the great philosophers, but I doubt that the authors of Laozi and Zhuangzi earned royalties on their writings.
Anyway – it is for you to decide if you want to accept a reasonable suggestion, or if you want to keep cultivating your stomach ulcers.
what drugs are you on ?
None but a cigarette here once in a while, and usually without hemp. Maybe an occasional smoke would relax you (if anything can).
S said
Advice taken: usually when something is free, it doesnt worth much if at all.
Laozi and Zhuangzi are exceptions so don’t flatter yourself.
Does Uncle Hitler get any royalties? His spirit is still alive and well in Vaterland.
“None but a cigarette here once in a while…”
what brand? seems like very potent stuff, can you get it over the counter like normal cigarettes ?
Neddy said
“the forever wise and rational JR”. You must forgive old JR for being too civilised; some people have that weakness. I wouldn’t waste my breath on being polite to a turd like yourself.
“Mylaowai’s blog for meaningful discussions ?”
Sure, but not with fuckwits like you around. When was the last time you have said anything meaningful.
S said
oh look, huffy and puffy from downunder making a re-appearance after such a long absence.
When did they release you from the anger managment clinic ?
Ned Kelly said
Sorry to interrupt, but Catherine and I just want to alert the Anglo-Sino-Blogosphere, that Ivan is presumed dead.
http://underthejacaranda.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/ivan-is-presumed-dead/
justrecently said
Catherine and I just want to alert the Anglo-Sino-Blogosphere, that Ivan is presumed dead.
Must be a terrible blow to him, Ned. ;)
As for my patience, it ain’t really weakness. Obviously (see #15), stoogie can’t read – his latest post doesn’t reply to mine. But I’m always hopeful that some day, the lame will walk, the blind will see, the mute will talk, and the dumb will shut up.
Now, was that eschatological?
(You may try to answer this rhetorical question too, stoogie, but I’ll only react if I see some progress with you. Some of my help is for free, but my generosity isn’t endless.)
C.A. Yeung said
JR,
What makes you think Stoogie understands the meaning of a rhetorical question?
MyFenwai said
MyFenwai is a cretinous slithering vile wretch and an absolutely colossal fuckhead.
Whiteboy thinks he’s special and deserves more land than other races… particularly the superior Natives.
Ned Kelly said
JR, are you trying to “immanentise the eschaton”? ;-)
In any case, I’m pleased that some of you Huns smoke hemp. If only more Europeans smoked hemp in August 1914, the world would be a better place today.
MyFenwai said
If only all Europeans drank bleach in the 1600s, the world would also be a better place.
S said
@19,
“his latest post doesn’t reply to mine”
????? are you on your “cigarettes” again ?
are you the kraut or huffy&puffy from downunder?
justrecently said
#20 – What makes you think Stoogie understands the meaning of a rhetorical question?
C.A., as I said, I’m always hopeful.
#22 – some hemp can be furly nice. But too much of it, and we Huns wouldn’t have invented the car.
Tommy Atkins said
I’d like to point out that the PRC never invaded Mongolia. They took Inner Mongolia, a Japanese puppet state which had had a Chinese majority since the Qing era. I’m certain that you know this already, so I’m suprised that you mentioned it alongside Tibet and Uyghuristan. You might as well have criticised them for taking over Manchukuo.
There are two fundamental problems with Tibet and Uyghuristan today, one being the Chinese colonialism and the other being that the only people opposed to this colonialism tend to be so over-the-top that they make their own position weaker. A compromise needs to worked out with the PRC to slow immigration into these areas, divert mining proceeds to local people and mandate local languages in education and employment. Talking about independence is simply a waste of time considering the economic and political (or should I say military) forces at work.
The problem with this blog as a whole is that while it justly criticises PRC policy, it offers no suggestion of practical solutions and all often just ends up bashing the whole of China rather than individuals or policies. This makes discussion with Chinese people impossible and if the international community was to match the blogger’s aggressive attitude towards China it would simply damage the position of Chinese moderates and increase support for the CCP.
LoveChinaLongTime said
@Tommy: You’re much too cerebral for this crowd. If you took a few minutes to read the vast majority of posts here, you’d see this is a sounding board for blindly, foaming-at-the-mouth nationalistic pro-CCP stooges, muckraking trolls, and enlightened foreign policy experts.
Don’t you know China invented discussion and dialogue 4,879 years ago?
Weichen said
So anyone that has a different opinion than people here are regarded as CCP’s stooges…
Interesting… I sure wonder what am I, living in Canada and all…
Adults are hilarious
MyFenwai said
Uh oh, if you’re under 18 Nedophile is going to come for you.
Weichen said
And I bet that this is what “heroes” do:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6677379.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
Ned Kelly said
MyFenwai,
Richard, is that you? I wouldn’t put it past Richard to use MAJ style sock-puppets.
MyLaowai said
@Weichen (30):
It’s very sad, but at the end of the day, those people were illegal immigrants living in an occupied country, with the support of the occupying troops. They were directly benefiting from the oppression of the local people, and had no business even being there.
@Tommy Atkins (26):
Thank you for your comments. Even though I believe you are mistaken in your understanding of history, I can understand why you would believe what you do.
However, to say that “A compromise needs to [be] worked out with the PRC to slow immigration into these areas, divert mining proceeds to local people and mandate local languages in education and employment” is to completely miss the point. The PRC has not ever had any intention of doing anything for the benefit of anyone except the Chinese Communist Party. That’s it, just that. And the vast, overwhelming majority of the Han have never seen anyone else as being anything other than inferior savages throughout their entire recorded history.
It’s all very well living in LahLah Land and pretending that lollipops grow on trees, but the real world just doesn’t work that way.
That said, your third paragraph nevertheless makes a fair point. I don’t agree with it entirely, but that’s a subject for another day. So, since you are the one suggesting this blog should contain “practical solutions”, I’m offering you the chance for a guest post here. I promise not to censor or edit anything you write (within reason). The floor is yours, on any subject as long as it is relevant. You may email it to me for publication at MyLaowai@gmail.com
@MyFenwai (23):
Yes, bleach would have helped keep the place clean and free of the various plagues that came to Europe from China. I find it fascinating how many killer diseases seem to have originated in China, many of them resulting from ‘interactions’ between people and animals.
S said
@27
” this is a sounding board for blindly, foaming-at-the-mouth nationalistic pro-CCP stooges, muckraking trolls, and enlightened foreign policy experts.”
Yet the Kraut and angry huffy&puffy think this is a place for “more meaningful discussion”.
What is going on Mr MLW ?.. get your house in order would ya and get your lap dogs to bark in unison.
@32
I’ve already had a “practical solutions” for Mr MLW, get your fat arse off the couch, catch the next plane over “East Turkestan” and join the “Freedom fighters” in their jihad against the Red Army.
I’m willing to pay for your initial flight and the return journey of your charcoal corpse to Dolly , take up the offer now or forever hold your peace.
Neddy said
There’s an interesting article on RConversations: Xinjiang Info-War
http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/xinjiang-infowar.html
It is on topic, and actually contributes to the discussion here.
Very unlike the resident trolls here, who compete for the “say as little as possible with as many words as possible” prize. Poor huffing and puffing fuckers!
justrecently said
Don’t criticize the resident trolls, Neddy, will you?! I enjoy every line they write!
But thanks for the link.
MyFenwai said
It’s very sad, but at the end of the day, those people were illegal immigrants living in an occupied country, with the support of the occupying troops. They were directly benefiting from the oppression of the local people, and had no business even being there.
Let me call up some Native Americans and Australian Aborigines and tell them you just gave them the green light to kill your whole family and steal everything you own.
No, the Uighur are the illegal immigrants while the Han Chinese are the natives.
MyFenwai said
Yes, bleach would have helped keep the place clean and free of the various plagues that came to Europe from China. I find it fascinating how many killer diseases seem to have originated in China, many of them resulting from ‘interactions’ between people and animals.
Yes, sadly there were some whites and Iranians visiting China, practicing their long honored tradition of sodomizing four legged friends. Which hasn’t stopped.
7,000 years of white history:
This intrinsically white behavior created the Black Plague and possibly influenza. Nasty.
I hope Ned does not mind me posting his video here.
The Kinsey reports (1948) controversially suggested that 40–60 percent of rural teenagers living on or near livestock farms had had sexual experience with an animal at some point in their lives
::shakes head::
white people.
MyFenwai said
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Pinyan
During a July 2005 sex act, videotaped by a friend, he suffered a perforated colon and later died of his injuries. The story was reported in the The Seattle Times and was one of that paper’s most read stories of 2005
Matches Ivan’s time of disappearance. Coincidence?
Ancient White Culture:
White people are sick, subhuman beasts.
Ned Kelly said
Re “Let me call up some Native Americans and Australian Aborigines and tell them you just gave them the green light to kill your whole family and steal everything you own.”
The “native Americans” had no conception of property, so there was nothing to steal. And they were well on the way to exterminating themselves long before any Whites arrived.
S said
Sure Ned, don’t forget Australia was also terra nullius before white “settlement”.
Look at all those black fellas popped out of nowhere and trying to claim ownership … who the f* are they ? they shouldn’t exist anymore, bloody James Cook didn’t do a good job wipping them out … fcken useless pom.
MyFenwai said
The “native Americans” had no conception of property, so there was nothing to steal. And they were well on the way to exterminating themselves long before any Whites arrived.
Nor did the Uighur, and Europeans are also well on the way to exterminating themselves.
So the logical conclusion is pretty obvious.
Tommy Atkins said
MyLaowai, I’m afraid I know far too little about China to carry a serious discussion on the subject so I couldn’t possibly take up your offer of a guest post. I’m more of a nitpicker.
Also like you, I don’t actually believe that compromise has much chance of success. I put it forward as the only option because… it is the only option. While begging for scraps is unlikely to succeed, at least it won’t cause even more unnecessary deaths and cause demands among the Chinese for crackdowns.
In short – I favour a “let’s pray things don’t any worse” strategy rather than a “let’s all kill ourselves by charging PLA tanks” strategy.
MyFenwai said
overwhelming majority of the Han have never seen anyone else as being anything other than inferior savages throughout their entire recorded history.
Don’t project, whiteboy. China has had respect for people who deserved it (at the time), namely India, Persia, and at times the Koreans. The tolerated the Tocharians and various tribes of the Mongols and Manchu.
But yes, whites are indeed subhuman, inferior savages who need to be put in their place.
MyLaowai said
@Tommy Atkins (42):
Thanks for the comment. Whilst I understand what you’re saying, I don’t believe for an instant that there is only one option: compromise. I further fail to believe that there is only one kind of compromise.
It’s thinking like that that led to the Munich Agreement. In fact, China has so much in common with 1930’s Germany that it’s frightening.
One thing that is utterly certain is that, as with Germany in the 1930’s (and Japan in the 1930’s), sitting back and being accommodating will only work as long as the other side is genuinely willing to not fuck you up. Otherwise, it’s nothing more than weakness you’re demonstrating, and that weakness is inevitably seen as an invitation to carry on in precisely the same vein.
There is another parallel with the Axis in the 1930’s that’s not only worth a mention, but is very relevant indeed: if you wait too long to slap their wrist, if you fail to deflect them from their planned trajectory, they will, sooner or later, go for your throat.
Ned Kelly said
Check out the PRC’s new flag:
http://underthejacaranda.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/image_thumb.png?w=240&h=169
MyFenwai said
It’s thinking like that that led to the Munich Agreement. In fact, China has so much in common with 1930’s Germany that it’s frightening.
The main difference here is that China has nukes. Game over.
America, on the other hand, is like Nazi Germany on steroids. In fact, America most closely resembles what Hitler’s empire would have been like if they conquered Eastern Europe and killed all the natives.
In all likelihood they would have moderated and gotten fat like Americans.
MyLaowai said
Dear MyFenwai,
You do talk out of your arse.
Regards, et al…