Where for art thou, Falling Cow?
Posted by MyLaowai on Friday, December 10, 2010
A good mate of mine, a local laddie who hates this place even more than I do, once said to me: “Do you know why we say Confucius? Because he very confuse us!”
Yeah, well, by Chinese standards that was very funny and probably qualifies as Joke of the Year. And, like all great comedy (and trust me on this one, that really was great comedy. It had them rolling in the aisles in Hefei) it contains more than an ounce of truth.
I reckon anyone who says “Man go through airport security sideways going to Bangkok” must know what he’s on about.
But he was a funny old geezer, that Confucius. Mad as a hatter, of course, and like all great Chinese in history, as bent as a nine bob note. He wore a dress, did you know that? And kept a small stable of young boys for his, ahem, entertainment. And he was forever going around saying things like “Man with one chopstick go hungry”. No one understood him then, and no one understands him now.
Despite this, however, Confucius apparently did understand his fellow Chinese rather well, as illustrated by this wee gem: “If the people be led by laws, and uniformity sought to be given them by punishments, they will try to avoid the punishment, but have no sense of shame”. “An oppressive government is more feared than a tiger” is another tasty morsel at his feast of wisdom.
I think Confucius would have understood all too well the morals and motivations of China’s present ruling dynasty, but I’m not entirely certain that he would have approved of his name being associated with a world-wide spy network, or a charlatan ‘prize’. That said, he would without any doubt have laughed his ass off at the clowns who handed out that prize last night…
The so-called ‘Confucius Peace Prize’ was created by the mandarins in Peking last week in order to show the world that people from Norway are bad. Or something along those lines; it never was terribly clear what the award was actually for, which is just one more reason why my friend’s joke is so apt. Something about the Chinese viewpoint of peace, I think, which means putting people in prison if they look at you funny.
The nominees were: the 11th Panchen Lama (selected by Peking after the real 11th Panchen Lama was made to disappear), a Chinese poet no one has ever heard of before (but who conveniently holds a post at the Ministry of Culture), and six ‘international figures’ who were not actually named. But the winner, who was selected after a nationwide online poll that organisers later admitted didn’t take place, was former Taiwanese vice-president Lien Chan. Chan wasn’t there to receive the prize, because he “was unaware he had been chosen or even that there was such a prize named after the famed Chinese sage”, according to his office. And so, his prize was given instead to a six-year-old girl. No one knows anything about her, except that she is the daughter of one of the committee members, and he is now taking care of the RMB$100,000 prize money for her. Questioned by reporters as to the nominee selection process, the committee chairman replied it was “a very long and complicated process. We can discuss this in the future”. He then departed hastily.
Chinese authorities have denied that this award is in any way linked to the highly respected Nobel Peace Prize, awarded this year to Liu Xiaobo for his two decades of non-violent struggle for human rights, saying “Norway is only a small country with scarce land area and population … it must be in the minority in terms of other relatively large numbers concerning the conception of freedom and democracy”. Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Jiang Yu said: “those people at the Nobel committee have to admit they are in the minority. The Chinese people and the overwhelming majority of people in the world oppose what they do.”
Confucius would have loved it. And the Nobel Committee will have the last laugh of all.
But nobody goes away empty handed at MyLaowai (the internally-renowned and very-famous-in-the-world award-winning scholarly resource). And so I dedicate this Falling Cow Award to the assclowns in Peking who seem to think the rest of us are all too stupid to see them for the yellow-tailed bamboo monkeys that they are. China, the joke’s on you.
And my deepest respects to Liu Xiaobo and the thousands of other genuine peace activists who are now either under house arrest or are languishing in Chinese prisons. Because if this country is to have any future at all, it lies with them and not with the thugs and criminals who are currently in charge.
When called an idiot sometimes is better to be quiet than to open mouth and remove all doubt.
Wo Shi Laowai - Wo Pa Shui 
Neddy said
Good old Confusious! Or maybe all three of him: The man himself way back when, his “makeover” in China’s imperial age, or the reconstituted Confu-bilge of today. No wonder everyone is confused, poor buggers!
There’s a nice reading about this new Prize on Granite Studio: “The Confucius Prize, Chinese blunders, and why you should be wary of sex-crazed wolverines”. No quotes; go read it. I mean, I don’t want to copy and paste half of it, do I?
http://granitestudio.org/2010/12/10/the-confucius-prize-chinese-blunders-and-why-you-should-be-wary-of-sex-crazed-wolverines/
Another good one is on Michael Turton’s blog. According to the awards committee, the new prize was created to “interpret the viewpoints of peace of (the) Chinese (people)”.
To which says one of the commentators:
“Let’s not all forget that Chinese are Exceptional. Their interpretation of peace is of course singularly and distinctly different to the rest of the world – a peace that can only be interpreted by and between Chinese. Much in the same way the sun’s heat is experienced in a completely different way in China because they are Exceptional and have 5000 years of Exceptionalism to prove it. Come to think of it, I heard they even breathe in a different way that foreigners will never understand. Ok. rant over.”
http://michaelturton.blogspot.com/2010/12/china-creates-new-serve-china-prize.html#comment-137446280165716772
That’s enough for now, two links. Do not want to end up in spam bucket.
Neddy said
As for where this circus started, that “other prize”, Global Times are at it again: “Beijing
butt hurtfirm on Nobel”http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-12/600654.html
I liked this:
“Yan Xuetong, director of the School of International Studies at Tsinghua University, told the Global Times that apart from the 19 countries, many international organizations also refused to attend the ceremony.”
I lost the links, but the word is that Ukraine and Philippines are likely to attend, too, and Colombia will send a lower rank official since the Ambassador is attending a Nobel Prize for Literature ceremony in Sweden (they have only one Embassy covering all Scandinavian countries).
And why some countries refused the invitation in the first place? Simple:
“No hash or coke at Nobel ceremony after Morocco, Colombia decline invites”
http://chinadailyshow.com/no-hash-or-coke-at-nobel-ceremony-after-morocco-colombia-decline-invites/
“We’d planned big party as usual,” said Nobel Peace Prize spokesman Arne Norblat. “Colombian ambassador normally brings huge kilo of blow, for example, while [Moroccan ambassador] Tariq [Khan] always has enough gear for everyone to get their smoke on. Last year was fucking gas, man, but this time, quite few of major players aren’t coming.”
“Nobody cares about Saudi Arabia, Sudan or Egypt,” said Norblat. “Those guys have really tight asses. Last year, we just waited for them to leave before busting out the good shit and getting party started.”
So, there you go.
justrecently said
Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Jiang Yu said: “those people at the Nobel committee have to admit they are in the minority. The Chinese people and the overwhelming majority of people in the world oppose what they do.”
Sounds like a wiki-principle to me. The foreign ministry isn’t terribly scientific. But then, they don’t even have a say in the politburo sessions anyway.
justrecently said
On youtube, we may learn the correct attitude from a patriotic panda defending the sacred nobel peace prize against some recalcitrant but also very afraid ambassadors in Oslo.
A vivid and detailed case for a more harmonious world.
Chinese Netizen said
Peace with Chinese characteristics.
As famed sage Jackie-the-sellout-Chan said, “Fuck all the peasants of China…they can’t handle democracy!!”
Hans said
unrelated but urge to vent, my fucking neighbors start their fucking renovations now at 6:30 fucking am with a fucking powerdrill through the fucking wall
excuse the language but ~ FUCK THEM – fucking morons! (no management will not give a shit about laowai complaining about Chinese)
time to buy that 25k subwoofer….
and oh yeah, the fucking price is a fucking joke, go drop dead you fucked up ignorant morons, argh, ‘we dont like reality so we make our own’
ZuQingYihuang said
Hans, you hurted the feelings of the Chinese people. Apologize right now, you stupid foreigner!
justrecently said
that 25k subwoofer…
I might add that the management won’t give a **** on your complaint, Hans – but they will care when your neighbors complain about you, a ******* foreigner.
The Confucius Peace Prize is showing you how the Chinese people see peace. Besides, as the ******* honorable chairman of the jury correctly said,
“in 500 years you will see history is on our side.”
Just be ******* patient.
0112337 said
JR, I have a question for you. Are you a fan of coffee? I recently bought a small package with a brand called Dallmayr, found it to be quite smooth and delicious. It says it is from Germany, so I was wondering if this brand is common over there. Is it anything special or is it a common household brand that everyone use?
Do you know any good brands to recommend?
By the way, if you want, I can recommend for you something on tea.
I Love China said
THE WORLD BELONG TO CHINA! YOU ARROGANT FOREIGNERS ! YOU CLEAN OUR SHOE SOON! YOU SERVING US FOREVER TO THE CHINESE RACE! STRONGER STRONGER CHINA! GO CHINA GO! WORLD IS CHINA!
Neddy said
ZuQingYihuang (#7) is right, look at this
butthurt comrade. For his agony, I prescribe a bucketfull of ice to sit in. After he changed his nappies, of course. And whatever else he does, I suggest he does not eat any chillies.As for his impassioned “THE WORLD BELONG TO CHINA!” wheeze, the takeover has already begun:
“Northern Ireland has been part of China since ancient times,” Cameron told President Hu Jintao in a November 30 US Embassy cable entitled “Wily Brits Try to Solve Irish Question by Dumping it On China.”
http://chinadailyshow.com/wikileaks-british-pm-offered-china-northern-ireland-as-“gift”/
0112337 said
I <3 C is correct. The world's population is at about 7 billion people now. There are more than 1 billion Chinese people, so that means for every seven living human being on this earth, one and half of them are Chinese. No other country on this earth hold such a majority stake, so by the principle of perfect democracy, China's opinion is the world's opinion. Ergo, World is China.
Concerned Europeans, are you unhappy about this? Tough luck, have more babies. It's called Population Warfare. Best legal, legitimate weapon to destroy a democratic system from within.
There…I coined the term.
MyLaowai said
Nonsense.
1. You confuse ‘countries’ with ‘people’.
2. This is not how ‘democracy’ is defined.
3. ‘Population Warfare’, or population-warfare, was not coined by you, nor does it mean what you think it means.
Concerned citizens of the world, why not solve most of your problems by turning China into a glass-floored, self-illuminating carpark stretching from Peking to Canton? Exercise your democratic rights and Vote MyLaowai: Providing solutions to problems since 2007. You know it makes sense.
0112337 said
Laowai, you are confusing what I mean with *I think* Mao’s idea of Guerrilla Warfare (correct me if I am wrong). Let me elaborate on what I mean.
What I mean by population warfare is the following. Send a large group of highly loyal citizens of your country’s regime to another country, a democratic one. Have them procreate as much as possible and make sure these citizens will pass on their loyalty to your regime onto their children. These children will then try to pass on their parents’ value to their children. And the point is, if your expat citizens can successfully pass on their loyalty and have more children than the local, native population, the democratic, foreign host country will have to mend its ways in the long run to accommodate. This is what I mean by population warfare, a peaceful, long term solution to influencing other nations, especially democratic ones.
Democracy comes from Greek which can be broken down to Demas and Critas (not entirely sure here, don’t quote me) which means ‘mob rule’. The ignorant masses has the power, and has the power to change government institutions. Now, if the majority mob in a democratic country are YOUR citizens and they demand changes that will make the host country resemble yours, nothing can stop that country from changing into yours in the long run.
Hence, population warfare. Mao is a fool for advocating violent struggle. The Peruvian Maoists spent more than 50 years and they had very little results. If they had many children, there might have been more progress.
0112337 said
Let me further refine my terminology. I shall call it “peaceful population struggle”. There! I coined the term.
To answer you Laowai,
1. We assume the best form of government is a democracy.
2. Then the world will be ruled best if it is ruled in a democratic fashion.
3. Democracy, according to Rousseau, one of the fathers of modern political economy, is the rule of the majority, the embodiment of the people’s common will.
4. The world has 7+ billion people. 1+ of them are Chinese.
5. Hence >1/7 of the world’s population are Chinese. This constitutes a majority amongst all other groups of people. Hence, the Chinese PEOPLE’s opinion should be the world’s opinion under a democratic system. Hence, World’s Opinion Belongs to China.
6. We assume that today’s PRC has done quite well at representing the common interests of the Chinese majority, namely; be well fed, have a home, and be warm. Hence, in a general sense, the country of China represents of the common will of the Chinese people.
7. In the ideal case, we also assume other countries will try to represent the common interests of their people.
Ergo, if the world is ruled democratically, and each nation represents the will of its people, the world should be ruled by China and thus the world belongs to China.
MyLaowai said
1. You may assume what you wish. Don’t make assumptions on my behalf.
2. See (1)
3. Democracy is many things, and Rousseau is only one man. But hey, sure. Are the people of the Red China permitted to exercise democracy when it comes to who represents them? Consider this before shooting your mouth off. And here’s another thought for you: if the people of Red China were permitted to exercise democracy, how long would a) China be under the rule of the thugs, butchers and criminals in Peking?; and b) be one country?
4.The world has 195 countries, and a number of additional territories. Only 1 of them is China. That’s a tiny minority, especially since the vast majority are very keen for their nations to not resemble China in any way, shape or form.
5. The Chinese people are not under a democratic system; neither is the planet.
6. Again, you may assume what you wish. I do not automatically share your assumptions.
7. Again with your assumptions.
Ergo, you need to check your assumptions and your facts, and perhaps take a bit of a lie down. Have you had your lithium pills today? On the bright side, at least you aren’t busy at work, or are you doing this on your employer’s time?
0112337 said
Laowai, it is about 9:20pm here. I wrote to you last night at about 1:30am. Please realize our earth has a 12 hr difference. Your blog is set on China Time. Although my job requires me to work late nights I was technically not on my “employer’s time”.
To answer you, my point with bringing up Rousseau was to show you what democracy means in theory. Would you prefer Locke, Hobbes, or Montesquieu? Locke believed in giving power to the property holding class only, like a true Englishman, and Hobbes believed in having a Sovereign that was the protector of individual rights, so that people don’t destroy each other.
You can believe whatever you like, I was merely making a conjectural sketch to justify I <3 C's statement.
It seems you are a keen student of Chairman Mao, so I think you should read Rousseau too. Rousseau's work profoundly influenced Mao as a young man to the point that he wrote a dissertation on the Social Contract, stating that in order for China to develop, it must first step out of the State of Nature it is currently residing in.
I would argue that there is democracy in China, albeit not in the western sense. The CCP's very survival depends on their ability to satisfy the desires of the common man. If not, there will be rebellion, armed rebellion, and that, is very scary to the government. Therefore, while your western citizens languish in powerless poverty in a so called democratic society, with no hope except god and the church, his counter part in China knows that his government will try its hardest to ensure his basic needs are met. This is democracy. Efficient democracy.
Ultimately, I think the hardest thing for you westerners to understand or accept is the fact that the majority of Chinese people are satisfied with their government, that they believe it is at least working to the benefit of the people, that its actions are representative of the will of the Chinese people. Most importantly, at the country's current state of development there is no better form of government.
Chinese people will never accept a divided country, ruled by different nations which were different provinces previously. This type of thinking is very western and un-Chinese. The reason to this is simple. We tried feudalism thousands of years ago and learned that division creates strife. Strife means bloodshed and hardship on the people.
Do you not believe me? Look at the outbreak of terrorism from the Middle East. Why is there terrorism? Why was there a war in the Middle East? It is because of different cultures. Muslim extremists view our modern, interconnected world dominated by western techno-democratic corporatism as a challenge to their archaic culture of Islamic extremism. This is why they fight, to preserve their way of life in the face of the inevitable western culture onslaught.
But what if there was only one uniform culture? One uniform belief? One government which fought amongst itself instead of constantly dragging in the innocent common people in their political struggles? These wars will not exist. This is precisely why Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China conquered the six rival kingdoms. To prevent further chaos.
0112337 said
And let me add something else since we are on the topic. Perfect democracy is only useful at the village level. If you read the Social Contract, you will see that Rousseau also mentioned that as nations become larger, democracy will be harder and harder to attain. Democracy on the scale of 1.3 billion people will not work. Period. There is simply no way for every single person’s voice to be heard no matter how efficient the government is. What China has right now is a hybrid government. It is democratic at the local level, but dictatorial as a nation. This facilitates development. Suppose the country was democratic, where every person has a vote, it would be utter chaos on the scale of India.
A few winters ago, I happened to be in Washington D.C. And I saw a group of people holding up signs that asked to be heard. Since I was not busy at that time, I stopped by and asked them what they were protesting about. One guy from amongst them told me that they were potato farmers from Iowa protesting a recent legislation that affected their income. Of course, I didn’t say anything at the time, but I was thinking these people must be crazy. Did they really think, people in congress, or Obama will hear or care about this motley group of 20 or so fools braving the fierce north wind in the arctic weather outside? Nothing will be done, it will be a total waste of time, energy, and resources.
From my perspective, this democratic “protest” looks like childish sulking or venting frustration. Did these people really think there will be change by punishing themselves? It’s stupid.
In China, these people will sit comfortably at home and call up a friend who is friends with a friend of someone important in the government and try to change things that way. I personally think that is far smarter and far more efficient. But that is just my opinion.
Rapunzel said
The PRC has done a shit job of representing the interests of all Chinese except for a small elite. In the last few years, there has been so much development that now the common people can now longer afford housing. Now with all the inflation from all the money sloshing around the economy from all the stimulus loans and money-printing, it looks like pretty soon the common people won’t be able to buy food any more.
有中国特色的发展：发展发展发展。。。哎哟！老百姓买不起房子了。发展发展发展。。。哎哟！老百姓买不起吃的了！真伟大！
What is it with these peaceful Chinese fishermen ramming other countries’ coast guard patrol vessels? Looks like one of them got more than they bargained for when they rammed a South Korean patrol vessel in South Korean waters and capsized! What a sacrifice to make in the fight to spread peace with Chinese characteristics to rest of the unenlightened world!
http://www.thestate.com/2010/12/18/1611129/china-fishing-boat-capsizes-in.html
love_china_long_time said
Esteemed Compatriot! Even they are gona KISS our shoe cleanly! But in 500 years, maybe.
Neddy said
Further about the
ConfusingConfuckciousConfucious Prize:“This year China honored Lien Chan from that eastern island that shall not be named. Because he lives on an island, Lien could not swim to Beijing to receive his prize. Therefore, we gave the cash
bribeprize to an orphan girl who will return to her work unit at Foxconn, where she helps create gadgetry for Apple.”http://longlivemao.blogspot.com/2010/12/give-peace-chance.html
Zhang Yang said
i am chinese . i like foreigner friend and want improve english to the speaking to all foreigners in world. so i friendly to foreigner.please not be this not so nice to China. we develope country and are friend to you. i understand you angry to china , china go to world so strong now and leader in many things and powerfull so much and own so many of what you . no worry,we want one world for peaced!! but you here not understand China and study chinese! sorry!is very hard for foreigner to understand China! please not be so bad to China, we are friend,not all is bad. China very long culture , longer than you,need time to changing but China is very good for world.give many things to you.the culture and strong things.we learn each other,ok? be friend to chinese peoples.no angry.
MyLaowai said
Quote of the Week:
“China invented gunpowder. What did the Nobel Committee ever invent?”
-ChinaDaily
Nips Are Great said
‘China invented gunpowder. What did the Nobel Committee ever invent?’ -China Daily
Fuck Chinks are stupid.
They put together a substance that made noises and eventually, after a few thousand years, they had a fire cracker.
They blew their firecrackers off all the goddamned time. Morning, noon, and night. Didn’t matter where the hell they were. They’d toss them out of windows onto unsuspecting folks passing by for laughs.
Sometimes when they were making them, especially after too much shit baijiu for lunch, there’d be an accident in the little firecracker factory and it would blow up, and all the workers that weren’t killed were maimed. They were quickly replaced with another group of workers. This was repeated often, unfortunately without enough of an impact on the Chinese gene pool.
Westerners visiting China saw the stupid locals with their loud toys and said to themselves, ‘If we bore a hole in a long piece of metal we could probably make a weapon that would shoot a piece of metal really fast and rip through and possibly kill. Our armies would have a fantastic advantage.
Yes, locals were good alchemists putting together substances to make noise. Westerners took their noise makers a helluvlot farther.
And it has everything to do with creativity or lateral thinking.
Yet another reason why Westerners are far more developed philosophically, scientifically, artistically, and any other measure you want to use.
0112337 said
I think, ladies and gentlemen, we have a serious case of American farmeritis here, as shown by the symptoms exhibited by Nips. Most Americans have this problem, and if this ‘Nips’ is not American, he/she has imbued him/herself thoroughly with its culture to the point that he/she is now intoxicated with farmeritis.
See how confused his/her rant is? So much random, senseless hatred.
For this condition, I, Dr. 0112337, henceforth prescribe the following;
1. Stare at the following site for five minutes (no less), think nothing, absorb. ==>
However, if the patient exhibits the following symptoms after step 1. namely;
2. Bomb it mercilessly.
3. Shout, ” FUCK YEAH!!!”
4. Shout, “Yeeeee Hawww!!! or Yippeee Kayeee!!”
Calmly feed the feral patient a Big Mac and proceed patiently to step 1 again.
Nips Are Great said
“0112337 said
Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 13:28
I think, ladies and gentlemen, we have a serious case of American farmeritis here, as shown by the symptoms exhibited by Nips. Most Americans have this problem, and if this ‘Nips’ is not American….blah blah blah”
Grasshopper 0112337, you still have much to learn in the Yellow Monkey’s Land of Toxic Waste & Whores.
To the local monkeys, EVERY white man is AMERICAN until proven otherwise.
And each and every monkey wants to be an AMERICAN.
You’re welcome.
justrecently said
A system of global democracy, combined with the rule of law, is fine with me. But before we can have global democracy, some 1.something billion people will have to learn to rule themselves.
Hans said
a) argue less
b) hate more
there is no need to argue with what has no brain!
Chinese are all fucking mentally retarded and will be a bunch of fucking inbred mutants in the future.
Hans said
oh and please dont tell me to leave if i dont like it, I LOVE it here:
everybody is fucking stupid and easy to handle, i get paid massive to put up with you fuckheads and most importantly I can fuck a lot of dumb money greedy young tight girls , so easy
My motto:
lets rape this country as much as possible and then go back home to civilization!
0112337 said
Dear Hans,
Would you rather have them be the sophisticated money girls working on Wall Street? They will rape YOU till you have nothing left. Wanna know what kinds of fun some of your aristocratic, great grandfathers had back in Europe during the late 1800s and early 1900s? Stay in China.
:)
justrecently said
I think that you and 011 have a lot in common, Hans. Enjoy the company.
As for 011, I think he’s spending to much time to protect his illusions.
I would argue that there is democracy in China, albeit not in the western sense. The CCP’s very survival depends on their ability to satisfy the desires of the common man. If not, there will be rebellion, armed rebellion, and that, is very scary to the government.
You know what, 011? That’s a very scary scenario not only for those in power, but especially for the powerless themselves. That they haven’t rebelled yet against their government has a lot to do with fear, and very little with a recognition of “legitimate” government, as you would like to suggest.
Hans said
as a matter of fact , the previous was rage infused and does not truly reflect my motto for China , the below is my true guidance principal for china:
never be reasonable! its dangerous! people will expect you to make sense!
me, I am unreasonable with everybody and everything, you’d expect me to.
this liberates me, this liberates my actions. this allows me judge and explain as i like. they then may like or dislike without judgment of mine as I am unreasonable regardless.
this works surprisingly well ~
0112337 said
Hahaha…Hans, isn’t it wonderful to be insane? It liberates you to do what normal citizens cannot! Imagine the possibilities!!
JR, explain to me this, why is it that Westerners only view the negative aspects of China despite the Chinese people’s extreme friendliness and hospitality? Sure, I can make all sorts of explanations and acquiesce by saying that China is a large, developing country with 1+ billion people, most of whom are uneducated and just managed to keep warm and not starve.
But I think you westerners know that. You people are people too. There should be a reasonable degree of connection between human beings, regardless of their nationality, which allows them to connect with other peoples. Fundamentally, from my experiences dealing with you people, I don’t think you are stupid. So tell me, which part of “development” do you fools not understand? Are you really so stupid as to think that the outwardly kind, simple, Chinese people are brainwashed drones laboring under an oppressive regime waiting, yearning, for you westerners to liberate them and bring them into the light of democracy? Can you tell me what you folks are smoking? Is it Marijuana….or Crack Cocaine? Ecstasy maybe? That sh*t is strong and quite common here in the States. Is it more widespread in Europe?
F—, the muslims should bomb you, for cultural imperialism, for forcing other countries to follow your ways of doing things. There is a wise saying in Beijing among the “old, big eared, hundred surnames” gained through decades of street conflict, “the weak is afraid of the strong, and the strong is afraid of thugs, and thugs are afraid of those that are suicidal.” Do you see why America is afraid now? Because it is strong and the muslim terrorists are suicidal. Hooray for the terrorists!
Westerners, learn America’s lesson well, do not force your culture onto others. Learn to behave like civilized people by respecting other countries’ cultures and institutions. You may do business with them, but you may not try and change their internal affairs.
As for global democracy, it is already happening, through capitalism. You will see, mark my words.
0112337 said
Seriously, westerners, imagine if the Chinese people were NOT genuinely friendly toward you and were more sophisticated than the financiers on Wall Street, how will you survive?
Any one of you dumb fuck losers, the scum of your own society, can go to China and land a job as a half assed English teacher in some remote place, have a place to live in, be treated like royalty by the locals, live a life that is unimaginable back home in your country, fuck many, friendly, willing girls, yet you are STILL complaining?
Do you understand that in China, people your age, who are far more qualified than you in every way, have no jobs? That they will willingly accept a job as a public bathroom cleaner or a ‘carrier’ if it allows them to feed their family? Yet they will say nothing to giving you their last penny if you go to them as a guest.
Last summer I was on a plane flying from Yunnan back to Beijing. I met a CEO of a small factory owner who was from Fujian. He was 31 and was a farmer that only finished third grade in elementary school, yet I remembered he said something that was very interesting. He said, “see all these laowais coming to China telling everyone that they are here because of the culture, the women, etc. etc….? That’s all bullshit! They are here because they are farmers or losers in their country. When they come here, they are treated like kings and that’s why they like it. These dumb fucks will probably die if they stayed back home. People are all the same, they like a place when they can get more from it.”
Indeed I have to say I was very pleased. If a Chinese farmer can realize this, Chinese society as a whole has advanced forward.
He then proceeded to tell me that there are factory workers in Yunnan who only live on 300 yuan a month. Their dream in life was not to own a car, live in a large city, etc., etc., their dream was to be well fed, well clothed, and have a peaceful life.
Yet, are they bitching like you western expats? No, they are working hard. Everyone of them deserve a better life than you lousy bitches.
Rapunzel said
So what you are saying is that because Chinese 贱民 don’t respect themselves so have to resort to simplistic prejudices and generalizations to make themselves feel better, they have advanced? 真伟大！
Rapunzel said
The sad fact is that your average Chinaman actually believes his own BS.
Rapunzel said
Course you were pleased. Another Chinaman had listened to other Chinese come out with the same crap and started believing it just as you did. Not only did you get confirmation of your own prejudices, but you also completely bypass the need for direct experience. Completely frog-in-the-well-tastic if you ask me and completely typical of how Chinese form their opinions of the world beyond the well.
China is crap man. Not only has it got a lower standard of living and civilization, its culture is crap too. Where is this so-called superior culture? Peking opera? Don’t make me laugh. Yes, maybe I don’t understand it but it doesn’t actually draw you in does it? I don’t actually understand European opera very well but I can tell at a glance that it’s far more magnificent than your crappy Chinese so-called opera. I mean, I went to a Peking opera performance once. As far as I can see all it was was some blokes dressed up in as gaudy a costume and makeup as possible, and if you couldn’t find anymore room to glue tinsel and frilly edges on him, you would put big sticks on his back and stick the gaudy decorations on them. And if that’s supposed to be music, why does any popular Chinese music these days owe more to European music traditions than Chinese ones? And what’s more, when I went to see the so-called “opera” (cough cough!), the bloke with the big sticks on his back would grab the end of the sticks and sway his body as he emitted a long sustained note that warbled due to the motion of his body swaying. I mean, what’s all that about. It’s a load of rubbish. It’s just an insult on real opera to call it “opera”.
Not only that, but Chinese are convinced that their way has got 5000 years of history and is the best and like nothing better than telling others how to live their lives. That’s why they love ruling Tibet. Nothing they like more than telling others how to live their lives by the Chinese way and nothing they hate more than a little bit of constructive criticism. Oh, the wonders of narcissistic personality disorder.
The only time Chinese do anything is when foreigners are watching. That’s why the Olympics got them so hysterical. Anything to do with corruption and basic human manners and the Chinese are the biggest defeatists the world has ever known. 没办法这个。没办法那个。
0112337 said
“Not only has it got a lower standard of living and civilization, its culture is crap too. Where is this so-called superior culture? Peking opera? Don’t make me laugh. Yes, maybe I don’t understand it but it doesn’t actually draw you in does it?”
First, don’t make false assumptions. Just because I am in the U.S. doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy Peking Opera or Chinese culture. I am trying very hard to channel my way back to China. But like many other Chinese people who left the country, they are falling behind with the fast development. Last time I went back, I was surprised by the general depravity that permeates Chinese society. It wasn’t that bad 5-10 years ago.
You are right to call modern Chinese ‘贱民’, that’s what I felt too when I went back. That is why I do not approve of what the CPC is doing, there used to be a moral principle that it set on society 30-40 years ago, but that doesn’t exist anymore. Today’s China is all about earning money, in whichever form; steal, lie, cheat, etc. It’s disgusting.
You want to hear some negative stories right? Here is one. Years ago, when I was much younger and much bolder, I almost got into a fight and stabbed somebody in Xi’an’s train station. I shudder now to even think about what consequences there might have been if I actually stabbed him. So, I was traveling to Xian from Beijing by train. When I got out, I had to make a quick phone call to somebody. My address book was in my backpack. So in order to take it out, I set the backpack on a convenience store’s counter. The whole thing took maybe three minutes, and this peasant woman came from nowhere and said to me in an unintelligible dialect to take it off because I was blocking business.
Of course, I took it off and proceeded to walk away. She then realized in her stupid, greedy mind that she could make a gain off of me. So she said to me, she wanted me to pay 30 yuan for storage fee. Because I had my bag on her counter, she wanted to charge a storage fee.
We got into a fight, in which she proceeded to scream in an unintelligible rant in some obscure Xi’an dialect. Thinking like an American during that time, I told her calmly to call the police. She didn’t expect this, and now I think she interpreted this the wrong way, thinking that I was some kind of fugitive, running away from the police.
She was scared and realizing that she couldn’t bully me, a giant Beijinger, and thus a foreigner, she barked even harder, like a little dog. Perhaps realizing that I was a big and strong young man (about 1.90 meters tall), she called her buddies.
Before long, six guys came out of nowhere and circled me. They were ready to beat me up. In those days, being young and stupid, I always had a pocket switch knife on my belt. I was ready to use it if they attacked me.
Thankfully I didn’t, knowing that I was in a different city, with no knowledge of the local customs, I backed down and they backed down too.
0112337 said
Now, on the topic of culture and opera. Chinese culture is not about shock value. That is what I think of western culture. Western opera, art, and culture have its roots in Christianity. The whole concept revolves creating a vision of heaven, of god, in the human realm, that somehow transcends lowly humanity to greater being.
Chinese art and culture on the other hand, is about being at peace with the environment. It is about learning from nature and being at one with nature. That is my traditional Chinese art is minimalist compared to European styles. Now, I don’t know that much about Peking Opera either, unfortunately. But my limited knowledge is that you need to understand the historical context first before viewing it. Once you do, it becomes alive. It is about appreciating the opera singer’s movements and voice in relation to the story. I heard experts say there is much enjoyment there once you can connect with the story. Sadly, today, most Chinese youths don’t understand it either.
And I think that is the real tragedy. Most Chinese kids today, under the direction of the farmer’s party, view their culture as backward and its traditions dull. They then substitute something so deep for something so shallow, the western alternative of shock value.
Explaining Chinese culture to you will take more space and time than I have here. But to give you a brief example. I find it interesting how Western culture is becoming more and more sinicized in the traditional sense. Westerners are switching to low diet foods, drinking tea, learning to protect the environment, animal rights, etc.
Chinese culture used to be a lot better.
But then again, true scholasticism and widespread education never really existed in China. There’s no Christian god there, no drive to gain the veritas ecclestias christas, no desire to gain truth for truths sake, or the desire to better humanity in terms of human rights. Even today, Chinese scholasticism, even at the prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences is completely botched.
One of my good friends is a physicist at the Physics Institute of CAS in Beijing. When I asked him what it was that was preventing China from creating good research, he said it was not that Chinese scientists were incapable, or they lacked money. It was because the whole culture there was geared toward creating loads of bullshit papers, getting promoted, and making more money. Research teams were like businesses. The PhD professor was the boss man that hired the PhDs to do the work for him.
China is a developing country, and most people there are uneducated. Going out of Beijing or Shanghai to anywhere else in the country was like going from a third world country to a fifth world country for Chinese people not long ago. Compound that with the fact that the ruling government runs on the common beliefs held by, in theory, factory workers and peasants, the end result does not bode well for cultural development. I am impressed by what modern China has already.
Rapunzel said
What I forgot to mention was what the long sustained warbly notes of the pasty bloke in the gaudy costume were apparently the high notes of the performance, judging by the reaction of the crowd as they cheered and applauded in great glee. I mean, what’s all that about? Call that culture, let alone superior culture that the rest of the world is in dire need of learning and immediately at that?
Here mate, some real (European) culture for you (BWV548):
Rapunzel said
‘He said, “see all these laowais coming to China telling everyone that they are here because of the culture, the women, etc. etc….? That’s all bullshit! They are here because they are farmers or losers in their country.’
Just says it all doesn’t it? Chinese inventing their own realities. I’ve never met a laowai who claimed to have come here for the culture, basically because it hasn’t got any. What’s more farming in the west is a totally different occupation to that carried on by Chinese serf peasants who till a plot of land the size of a swimming pool by hand. Farmers own acres of land and can’t just down tools and go to China to teach English. They’d have to sell the farm first and wouldn’t need to teach English after that.
The other issue I have with this self-delusional piece of mental masturbation is that it represents a serious case of black & white thinking symptomatic of deeper and deeply disturbing issues. Perhaps there are some laowai here who couldn’t get a job back home. But that certainly doesn’t represent all the diplomats and businessmen here to give the Chinese their intellectual property and get ripped off having been deceived by Chinese promises of access to the large Chinese market that they don’t intend to honour.
Besides, what’s this about fleets of chinese 流氓 fishermen invading other countries’ waters armed with shovels and pick axes to fight with the coast guard patrols? Apparently it’s been going on for a while in South Korean waters. They even killed a coastguard in 2008 and were fired on by North Korean coast guards (thought you were buddies, eh?). Self-centered Chinese 骗子 love bleating about respect for territorial integrity when it suits them but have absolutely no respect for others’ territory.
BTW, I’ve lived in many countries and I must say the Chinese are the rudest, most ill-mannered people I have ever experienced. Yes, they might think they are polite smiling to my face while making loads of subtle and not-so-subtle insinuations about how their culture might look crap on the outside, but has a mysterious power that we can’t understand on the inside, and being blatantly rude behind my back when they think I’m too far away understand. I’m sorry. Chinese are pig-ignorant and the rudest people on the earth and if you’ve never experienced it as a white man here then you are in no position to judge.
0112337 said
“But that certainly doesn’t represent all the diplomats and businessmen here to give the Chinese their intellectual property and get ripped off having been deceived by Chinese promises of access to the large Chinese market that they don’t intend to honour.”
So you are saying intellectual pirating doesn’t exist in the West? Ask your relatives in their 20s in the west if they still buy CDs for music. Ask them if they know about Napster, Kazaa, Grooveshark, Watchenglishmovie, Rapidshare, ebookee, and a whole host of other sites. The Russians are masters at this.
The difference is, your Chinese vendor does it by the side of street, while his European counterpart opens up a website online.
Intellectual piracy is inevitable. It can be bad in a nation of 300 million. It will be jarring in a nation of 1.3 billion.
“Besides, what’s this about fleets of chinese 流氓 fishermen invading other countries’ waters armed with shovels and pick axes to fight with the coast guard patrols? Apparently it’s been going on for a while in South Korean waters. They even killed a coastguard in 2008 and were fired on by North Korean coast guards (thought you were buddies, eh?). Self-centered Chinese 骗子 love bleating about respect for territorial integrity when it suits them but have absolutely no respect for others’ territory.”
I agree with you on this. Chinese coast guards kidnapped Vietnamese fishermen many times and even held them for ransom sometimes. Vietnam couldn’t do anything.
“Chinese are pig-ignorant and the rudest people on the earth and if you’ve never experienced it as a white man here then you are in no position to judge.”
Ok, would you rather them to be sophisticated, outwardly refined, but keen to backstab you when you are unaware? Be careful of what you wish for. It is not easy living among the rich either.
Rapunzel said
But they do backstab when I’m unaware.
Rapunzel said
Chinese not cultural imperialists? Any country that still calls itself by the anachronistic Central Kingdom has got to have issues.
It’s easy to understand the Chinese mentality. I can sum it up very nicely with the phrase low self esteem. That’s why they like telling others what to do but hate taking advice. You see it on an individual level all the time. Like when my daughter was born. Had to be fed with Chinese rock sugar water. I couldn’t understand the medicinal wonders of Chinese sugar. In the end I stopped trying to reason with them and would just take the bottle of sugar water out of the Ayi’s hand whenever I saw her feeding it and insisted she got her milk. It’s bad for babies, causes electrolyte imbalance. Anyway, in the end even my Chinese wife began to see things my way when she grew up to be a big strapping lass that towered over 100% Chinese kids her own age fed on a diet of sugar water and starch.
Yes, I’ve seen it over the years. Nothing more that Chinese like than to spread their wonderful Chinese ways and tell everyone else how to live their lives. The only thing is that so far they’ve only been able to force their crap culture on Tibetans and Uighurs but as China’s status is rising the Han chauvanists are rubbing their hands at the new opportunities that lie ahead to teach the world how to live as it swallows all the lies and propaganda the emanate from this corrupt, cultural wasteland.
0112337 said
“It’s easy to understand the Chinese mentality. I can sum it up very nicely with the phrase low self esteem. That’s why they like telling others what to do but hate taking advice. You see it on an individual level all the time.”
No, most of the times, it’s because they lack English skills and don’t understand western culture. They don’t want to try and figure out how to explain to you their reasoning and couldn’t possibly connect with you so they just force you to comply. It’s simply easier.
“Anyway, in the end even my Chinese wife began to see things my way when she grew up to be a big strapping lass that towered over 100% Chinese kids her own age fed on a diet of sugar water and starch.”
I assume you are an European and your daughter was fathered by you? I also assume you know that Europeans are taller and bigger in general and people pass on their genes when they have a child?
“Nothing more that Chinese like than to spread their wonderful Chinese ways and tell everyone else how to live their lives. The only thing is that so far they’ve only been able to force their crap culture on Tibetans and Uighurs but as China’s status is rising the Han chauvanists are rubbing their hands at the new opportunities that lie ahead to teach the world how to live as it swallows all the lies and propaganda the emanate from this corrupt, cultural wasteland.”
Yet, you are still there?
Rapunzel said
“I assume you are an European and your daughter was fathered by you? I also assume you know that Europeans are taller and bigger in general and people pass on their genes when they have a child?”
I am European and my daughter was fathered by me and bears a strong resemblance to me. [That gets the Chinese going, doesn’t it? Oh dear, one-nil to the foreigner for having more dominant genes (as if I care).] Besides, her cousins in Europe are very short indeed. Their grandparents are Italian and very involved in their upbringing and have some things in common with Chinese grandparents.
But that doesn’t change the fact that mainland Chinese ways of rearing children are foolish in the extreme and positively harmful. If you ever have a child, I beg you never to listen to the Chinese Ayi going on about her experience in rearing children. Again, I am of the opinion that the motive is basically selfish in being more concerned about validating their culture than about objectively seeking the best for the child. Chinese people would fry their babies in garlic if some old Chinese woman told them that’s what they did to their children when they were babies and they grew up strong and healthy. Though they claim to be doing it for the child, they are really doing it for themselves. It’s like the little old Chinese women who come up to people with small children and babies to tell them what they are doing wrong and give a little bit of advice. They don’t care about the child. They do it to make themselves feel important. Most of the time they just make it up anyway.
I once told this Chinese man I used to know that Chinese ways of rearing children were unscientific; he shot back in an instant with his comeback: “Chinese are very empirical and value experience. Of course, theory is important but Chinese value practice.” When did he have to time to prepare this answer? Not while I was talking to him, that’s for sure. Do Chinese expend vast quantities of mental energy on thinking of ways to justify and spin their country and culture off to the white man? I’m beginning to think they do. I was once buying a memory card for a phone and got into a conversation with the people behind the counter. We started talking about writing and I said I can write 汉字 and wrote a few down. Then this other guy starts talking to the Chinese guy I was talking to about how Chinese writing is more complicated than English writing and think about it, how many characters they have to learn compared with 26 letters of the alphabet. I mean, this is a Chinese talking to another Chinese, telling him to think about how much more complicated Chinese writing is. It was just so fake, it was just pathetic. The acting was so wooden and I know full well it was actually for my own enlightenment. That’s the sort of ridiculous nonsense I face every single day. I get tired of it. I mean, there’s no human warmth there, is there? it’s all competition, competition, competition. Oh, our genes are better than yours, our language is more complicated than yours, oh, foreign kids are pretty when they’re young but ugly when they grow up. Where is the human kindness? Where is the concern for the mental welfare of the already disadvantaged foreigner? Where is this milk of human kindness that you claim flows in such abundance to the foreigner?
And don’t bother giving me all that defeatist crap about shortage of resources and that nonsense. Europe had shortages too and had to rebuild economically after the Great Depression and the War.
Feeding sugar water to infants is very bad. Taking them off the milk and putting them on 粥 when they are 6 months old is not a recipe for healthy growth but a recipe for short stature, calcium deficiency and goodness knows how many other evils. Trying to feed them big mouthfuls when they are too young to swallow properly is a recipe for death by choking. I don’t even think Chinese people in Hong Kong feed their babies sugar water. Despite the claims of 5,000 years of history and the mysterious medicinal benefits of rock sugar, it really does seem the practice is a recent one.
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Rapunzel said
Like when my wife decides to let my Chinese neighbour look after our daughter when she was one and a half. My neighbour was absolutely full of glee at showing the ignorant Westerner the wonders of Chinese child-rearing wisdom. It started off with him boasting to me like I have never heard anybody boast in my whole life about his daughter getting into an American university. So humble these Chinese, after all. Then he decides he’s going to show my the wonders of Chinese food (why does every Chinese I meet think they’re going to be the ones to show my how wonderful Chinese food is? I’ve been here for 10 years for Pete’s sake.) Anyway, he’s also going to get her to eat more so one evening he’s feeding her big mouthfuls of fish and I say, “Are you sure you should give her such big mouthfuls?” To which I get the reply accompanied by a huge arching backward sweeps of the head, “没事！没事！“ Moments later she stands up clutching her throat – the stupid bastard had only gone and choked her! She didn’t actually breathe for about 30 seconds until I managed to get it to go down, not helped by the fact that the stupid pea-brained, narcissistic imbecile kept grabbing her off me with the words “我来吧！我来吧！“ Then he proceeded to give me a scolding telling me that it was my fault for panicking.
You’d think he would have learned his lesson by that time, but of course, no. This is brass-faced scumbag China. What else? One day when I went to pick her up he’d made her sleep in about a foot thick of quilts and blankets to make her sweat in her sleep. Anyway, I felt uncomfortable just looking at it. I was however, concerned about a confrontation with this man that I now despised so I phoned my wife and told her about it. As the man said, sleeping this way made her “排除很多东西,” as he said. Well, I thought the kidneys were for that but he had to add the inevitable “你不懂” My Chinese wife called him up and told him not to do it any more and he assured her he wouldn’t. My wife had read about the dangers of small children overheating somewhere. Anyway, when I would go round to pick her up from their house after that they would always make me wait a little while. One day, I said, I’m not waiting, I want her now and when I went into their house, the stupid, pig-ignorant, lying, slimy, arrogant bastards only had her sleeping the same way again!
Anyway, whenever I meet the buffoon these days, though he’s eager to see my daughter, but he definitely avoids looking me in the eye. Such are the wonders of blind faith in the Chinese way.
0112337 said
You fucker. He didn’t mean harm.
“It started off with him boasting to me like I have never heard anybody boast in my whole life about his daughter getting into an American university.”
Do you want to hear how great a laugh me and my Chinese friends get from hearing about how some Western peasant tell us about how their children were in some band that performed in China and that they EVEN CLIMBED THE GREAT WALL?
“Then he decides he’s going to show my the wonders of Chinese food (why does every Chinese I meet think they’re going to be the ones to show my how wonderful Chinese food is? I’ve been here for 10 years for Pete’s sake.”
Exactly my point all along. Chinese people have been too good to you foreigners. That guy should choke your bastard daughter and then leave her to die out of racial hatred, the Western way. Or better yet, have it the American way, have your daughter suffocate to death out of negligence for not paying him or her enough.
Rapunzel said
The thing is I had to endure his boasting for about 3 hours man. It really left me with a bitter feeling in my mouth.
Perhaps he didn’t mean any harm, but his motive was purely selfish, self-validation. I don’t think Chinese are ever very kind to me unless they want something out of me. Like this guy at this fruit stall was trying to give us a free banana but only because he thinks I’m going to teach his child English.
“Exactly my point all along. Chinese people have been too good to you foreigners. That guy should choke your bastard daughter and then leave her to die out of racial hatred, the Western way. Or better yet, have it the American way, have your daughter suffocate to death out of negligence for not paying him or her enough.”
Yeah, whatever.
Rapunzel said
“Do you want to hear how great a laugh me and my Chinese friends get from hearing about how some Western peasant tell us about how their children were in some band that performed in China and that they EVEN CLIMBED THE GREAT WALL?”
Like I said, they believe all the propaganda. Like my point about my nephew. Totally cringeworthy. But then my nephew’s young and foolish. We had the same thing in the 80’s with Japan. But the Chinese are much more of a nation of spin doctors who are at the ready at any given moment to inflict a stinging “you’re racist” or whatever guilt trip will do the trick on anybody who doesn’t swallow their BS down whole. They don’t actually care about the principles involved. It’s just a tool to them. That’s what most people in the west don’t understand about Chinese, how pragmatic they are. They don’t care about the means, just the end. My wife used to give me guilt trips all the time. I don’t listen to them any more. They don’t have any effect. Like I was just telling her about those despicable Chinese fishermen ramming South Korean coast guard vessels a moment ago and she got a bit defensive, not surprisingly. Then came the guilt trip, “You’re happy a Chinese died.” Not particularly, no. But yes, I admit, I was young and foolish when I met her. But when we were going out she seemed like everything I ever wanted. It turned to be all a front, but she knew how to tell me what I wanted to hear. I tell you, I was totally astonished with how quickly she dropped the pretense as soon as I came home from the embassy with the marriage certificate (we didn’t have a ceremony). Then she became suddenly all cold and manipulating. It took me 10 years to work out what was going through her head. Now I realize she’s got narcissistic personality disorder, lacks self-esteem and is always looking to validate herself through work, manipulating people, and has fantasies of infinite power and beauty. Very common among Chinese women. Her parents never gave her any real love, you see. All they cared about was work rather than responsibilities to their children. It didn’t matter who looked after the child, Ayi, grandparent, whatever. So they grow up emotionally stunted.
Anyway, I beginning to see a pattern in my relationships with Chinese. Some are very nice, seem like everything you wanted actually. But then when they have got their hooks in you and you’re trapped, they start turning the screws. That’s why I don’t like Westerners investing in China. Dealing with Chinese people is like crossing the street in China – you’ve got to keep your eyes open in all directions and beware of everything. Chinese just use the “huge Chinese market” as a lure to steal unsuspecting westerners money and intellectual property. I’m not talking about piracy. I’m talking about inventions. Trade secrets. The original inventors won’t see any good for all their hard work, it’ll just get hijacked by Chinese 骗子。
Rapunzel said
Oh, I met my wife in Korea. I worked hard when we were first married for a deposit for an apartment in Seoul (if the deposit is big enough, there’s no rent, that was the system). Got us a nice place. She just lay on the (heated) floor all the time watching TV and always refused sex. Funny that, because before we were married, she pretended to be a nymphomaniac. Wouldn’t stop jumping on me. What should have been the honeymoon period was the one of the most confused, saddest periods of my life. Anyway, before we were married a year, she pissed off back to China because she got some job there and left me in Korea. It was all for my sake, of course. That’s always the workaholics excuse.
Yep, biggest mistake of my life meeting her.
Rapunzel said
It’s not just that she refused sex, it was like she would try her best to make me feel guilty and dirty for wanting to have sex with her. I realize now it was just a big power trip for her. Before we were married it made her feel powerful to make me have sex against my will and after marriage it made her feel powerful to make me feel guilty for wanting it.
Rapunzel said
And now I’m stuck in this awful, cold, cynical, childish, petty country. I think she seeks validation from that too. It validates her country to force me to live in it and she can tell other Chinese that I am willing to live here, but I’m not.
The only thing I have to look forward to is the next revolution or her death.
Have you seen what your arrogant countrymen are saying about the Korea coast guard for trying to enforce their own law in their own territorial waters and for complying with international law? Look at the pictures then click on 我来说两句
http://news.sohu.com/20101223/n278481210.shtml
Rapunzel said
But you must realize it’s not bitching about Korea, Chinese would never bitch about other countries, unless they are in the gov, then it’s their job to bitch about how all the other countries are wrong and China’s right.
I see they are even trying to get Korea to cough up for the stupid, reckless Chinese fishing vessel that came a cropper when it tried to ram the coast guard patrol vessel that was only 50 times its own size.
Tell me, are there any Asian countries that don’t hate China?
EuroinChina said
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Rapunzel said
The thing is with Chinese culture is that it can only be forced on others by force and conquest, or by telling a massive tissue of whoppers and propaganda that promptly evaporate as soon as anybody actually steps foot in this total excuse of a cesspool of a country. It’s not like American culture, that actually draws people in, including 011 on its own merits, not that I am an Americophile.
Recently I went back to my own country and when I asked my nephew how fast his Internet connection was, he replied, “Only 8M, nowhere near as fast as you get in China.” Of all the crap! 2M is what most people here think is the fastest you can get.
How, 011, might I ask, is China going to become the financial center of the world? Is it going to grow its economy by building more building unwanted buildings? You should read the new green paper form the Chinese Academy of Sciences or whatever it is about the dependence of Chinese economic growth on the property bubble. Or is it going to take over the world by its fishermen ramming other people’s coastguard patrols, giving 中华贱民骗局国’s 贱民政府 an excuse to permanently patrol other people’s waters?
0112337 said
“It’s not like American culture, that actually draws people in, including 011 on its own merits, not that I am an Americophile.”
I am a Chinese person in that I am understanding enough to follow the local culture at the place I reside in. This place forces people to conform whereas in China you can express your culture as freely as you wish, as long as you don’t harm others or try to overthrow the government.
“The thing is with Chinese culture is that it can only be forced on others by force and conquest, or by telling a massive tissue of whoppers and propaganda that promptly evaporate as soon as anybody actually steps foot in this total excuse of a cesspool of a country. ”
Again, despite all those excuses for this “cesspool of a country”, you chose to stay there, marry a Chinese girl, and settle down? Aren’t you a 贱民 for criticizing the people there that treat you with such warmth and kindness?
Rapunzel said
I very rarely experience normal human warmth from the Chinese. Most of them put up a wall because they are so obsessed with their ethnicity. But I do sometimes experience people who treat me like a fellow human being and are not obsessing about the fact that my nose is bigger and I speak with a funny accent. When that happens, I really warm to such people.
“I am a Chinese person in that I am understanding enough to follow the local culture at the place I reside in. This place forces people to conform whereas in China you can express your culture as freely as you wish, as long as you don’t harm others or try to overthrow the government.”
That’s the ideal, not the reality. But then again, reality is always someone else’s problem to the Chinese. It’s just a difference of opinion. I think reality reality is the important one and Chinese think their own invented reality is the important one.
Actually, when Cameron came to China, I thought his sanctimonious speech about democracy was positively cringeworthy, to tell the truth. The whole trip was positively cringeworthy. In 20 years time Rolls Royce will be out of business and the Chinese will be making exact copies of their engines.
I’ve no wish to tell the Chinese how to live. This whinging business is more of a catharsis really. Everything will come out in the wash in the end. Everything will be shown up for what it is in the end.
I didn’t actually choose to live here. I thought I would be able to come to some arrangement with my wife about where to live, where to educate our daughter and such things, but no, there is no discussion in China. They take away your freedom of choice and when you complain, they say they are being kind to you and call you ungrateful. That’s just the way it is. I can’t change it now because I can’t leave because I have a responsibility to my daughter. I can’t take her with me otherwise I’ll be a criminal. It’s called international child abduction. I’m just biding my time till the property bubble here bursts, the economy enters into a 20-year period of stagnation as happened in Japan and the Chinese people start random lynchings of white people because the economic mess was our fault (at least in the reality in their heads). Then I’ll have an excuse for leaving the country.
0112337 said
Rapunzel, I would have never thought that you had such a sad story. I feel really bad for you. Really. I am really sorry to hear that. Thank you for sharing with me about how you perceive things over there. Most Chinese people will not see things the way you do. After all, they are not a foreigner. I feel somewhat ashamed from your story and I know that it is true because of my understanding of the culture there.
You know, it is funny. Most Chinese people don’t understand why you foreigners connect China with Nazi Germany, but now I see the reason. Like another foreigner posted on here before, one cannot see the truth about one’s country until he hears it from a foreigner.
You are right in saying that there is no love over there. This is due to many reasons. For one, China has always been more competitive than anywhere else. For thousands of years, there has always been more people than there are resources. People learned to fight to the death in order to survive. Today’s China is even worse, because instead of an agrarian system that can feed many people, we now have a commercial system that is premature. There are 100 people competing for any job out there in any Chinese city. People have to be aggressive, mean, calculating, greedy, and backstabbing. Otherwise they can’t survive. Society is ruthless. It’s pure Social Darwinism. There’s no pity for losers.
Despite the gloss the CPC puts up to the world of a new modern China, many, many people are suffering. They are not telling you and they won’t tell you because you are a foreigner. In order to save face, they will rather say that they are happy. But many, many people are afraid and they are suffering from all the problems that exist in today’s China.
Take my city Beijing for example. Thirty years ago, everybody knew each other. Fights on the street are easily diffused when the guys know somebody in each other’s neighborhood, and they usually do. Today is a different story. Old Beijingers are either pushed to the suburbs or are terrorized by the peasants that moved in from other provinces. We hate them because they are willing to go to lower moral depths and commit greater depravities than we. They are completely uneducated thugs, and we were strong and had scholarly aspirations, so they displaced us.
Today’s China is a highly volatile, highly immoral, and highly dangerous country. Sons will sell their own mothers if the price is right. College girls are more willing to go to prostitution than continue with their studies because the former pays more. Today, in my city, there are few pretty girls that do not sell themselves. If you see a pretty girl on the street, chances are, she is a Ji, a prostitute.
Ultimately, the problem is that Chinese people no longer believe in anything except money. In the West, people are greedy, but there is ultimately a moral base line which they will not cross, and that, I think, is due to religion. Due to Christianity. People at least believe there is a hell and heaven, and so, for whatever reason, choose to do good. That’s not the case in China. Today’s China is godless and all about luxury, comfort, and money.
Let me try and answer why you don’t see love there. Well first, like I said earlier, there can’t be. Greed displaces love. Second, keep in mind that today’s China is supported by the 70s, post 80s, and post 90s generation. A twisted group of people that were spoiled rotten and were accustomed to getting everything they wanted. Meanwhile, these people grew up in an environment of unbelievable hatred and stress. While their European counterpart might look fondly back at their childhood memories, few Chinese can do so. What they remember are probably how their fathers beat them or scolded them for not studying for 6 hours everyday after school or for not being top 10% of the graduating class. These kids don’t know love. They are like selfish little Nazis.
And you compound that with the introduction of outer province peasants into the market, these people have almost zero education, and know nothing beyond the need for self gains. When they gain through stealing or cheating, they don’t see it as immoral, but as a sign of their ‘capability’. Yes, that is how fucked up Chinese society is now. We are becoming like a nation of thieves, thugs, and murderers.
Most importantly, they will probably not love you, foreigners. This is because the only thing Chinese people know about westerners is how they sacked the imperial summer palace in Beijing, how the British sold Chinese opium, and how the West is so much more technologically advanced. They despise the West because it is better, yet their addiction to hedonism compels them to copy Europe and America. The end result is Chinese people enter an awkward emotional struggle which manifested into extreme nationalism.
True love doesn’t exist in China. Everything has strings attached. “No money, no woman”, every Chinese man knows this. When a Chinese woman marries a laowai, it’s usually for money, passport, or the hybrid baby. Chinese women think Laowai are stupid and easy to control precisely because the Laowai is not as rational, realistic, or pragmatic as the Chinese girl. Chinese girls know what they want.
Lastly, modern Chinese people are not warm towards each other in a southern European sense. This is cultural. Warmness and true love is viewed as stupidity and weakness.
0112337 said
I will tell you a bit about myself. Like I said, I went to the United States when I entered high school. Back then, things were a lot better. People cared for one another and there was a general sense of ‘duty’. Teachers regularly worked over time to help kids who fell behind in school and we loved and respected our teachers like as if they were our mothers. Workers were respected and praised by society for their contributions. Kids used to sing in school about giving the penny found on the street to the policeman. Imagine that! That song would be parodied to oblivion if it was brought back to Chinese society today.
Anyway, so I went to America, and was at first taken aback by the chaotic, sinful society I encountered there. There was little order and very little scholastic aspiration. Everything was about money, and I despised it.
But to cut a long story short, as you know, my family is heavily involved in the financial world and my father trained me to become an excellent banker since childhood. I hated it, but I had no choice. Since my father missed the opportunity to advance in his career, he was going to materialize it in me. So I sucked it up and lived through those days with the hope that, once I grow up, I can go back to the China of my childhood and go back to a socialist society that was orderly, charitable, loving, and had a sense of moral duty.
But that dream never materialized. I remembered when I went back to China after my college graduation, I entered a world that was more sinful, more chaotic, more materialistic, and even more immoral and capitalistic than the United States. The strange land that was the United States was better than home, all of a sudden.
So I am kind of stuck here too. According to my father’s wishes, I now work in a top notch, high flying, bulge bracket bank, making a solid income, live a fake, plastic, lifestyle, and gets the divine opportunity to work with the world’s best assholes, crooks, and thieves. The scum of humanity.
Now, I suppose others may say I sound hypocritical. After all, I live a lifestyle that is the ultimate goal of nearly all young Chinese people today. But the truth is, if I ever had a chance to live my own life, I will quit out of this miserable job and enter medical school to become a medical school professor.
There, that’s my story. I wish you a Merry Christmas, no matter where in China you are. Stay warm, and stay safe. May God bless you and your family.
0112337 said
And of course, let me add this last bit, for cultural understanding, world peace, and harmony in your family. Your experience with your Chinese wife may not be the result of evil intentions as you think. In Chinese families, husband and wife usually lead a platonic relationship. Sex is very moderated, and knowing a bit about you people, I know for a fact that a normal, well functioning Chinese family will not have as much sex.
Sex is kind of viewed as base and animal like. Some families only do it to have a child. Love, in a Chinese marriage is more about developing relationships between two people over time, till they become best friends, and truly a part of each other. It’s not all about sex. Your wife may have been overly sexual in the beginning to get you to fall in love with her because she loved you. Once you two were married, she saw no need to continue an overly sexual relationship. However, seeing that you still want lots of sex, she may have become frustrated or irritated. This may have caused your marriage to go sour to the point that she actually developed animosity towards you. This is a possibility.
In addition, depending on where your Chinese wife came from, it might be a normal thing for her to control her husband. In an ideal western marriage, it’s an equal relationship. The wife is no better than the husband and the husband is no better than the wife. That’s not necessarily the case in China.
Shanghainese women are known to be tigresses. They argue and fight like men. In Shanghai, men do house chores, raise kids, and the woman controls everything and directs the man. This is absolutely normal in their eyes.
In fact, in today’s China, men are feminized. In a household, men go out passively to earn money while the woman controls everything at home. The woman expects her man to be docile and loving. That’s the mark of a capable, strong willed woman.
Dongbei and other parts of northern China breaks from the norm. My father’s father was particularly pissed about what he sees with marriage relationships these days. He thinks men are all weak today. He told me that in his hometown, if a woman acts the way they do today, by trying to control her man, the man would hog tie her, beat her, and then lock her up in the basement and starve her till she comes to her senses.
He told me to make sure I don’t lose face if I marry a foreign girl. But of course, I know my darling is not that kind of person.
Rapunzel said
No, I don’t think marriage is all about sex. That’s not what I’m about. But I do have a need for it and that’s what she exploited. When we were first married she would sometimes deliberately act provocatively just so she could put me down. It’s not surprising she would have felt not-so-good about herself when we were in Korea because of all the snide remarks from the Koreans.
She doesn’t have time to be a friend either. All she has time for is her work. She sleeps with the little girl. Last year I suggested we have a meal together sometimes, perhaps every week, just the two of us, but she refused.
As I say, totally given up on my marriage.
Rapunzel said
Anyway, thanks a lot for the understanding, 01123377. I really appreciated it.
Rapunzel said
Weep, that’s what she would do, before we were married. After we were married the tears turned into a snarl.
What can you do with a woman like that?
Rapunzel said
This pretty much sums up most of the people I have to deal with in China:
http://blog.udn.com/donnywong1210/4293477
Rapunzel said
Not that link, this one. It’s quite amazing how well they fit the profile.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_tell_if_someone_is_a_pathological_liar
Actually, I try to remind myself that they are in fact sick. I can remember they can’t actually help themselves, it doesn’t seem to bad.
No. 5 seems to fit with what I describe as defeatism.
“Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say.”
Perhaps that’s what’s behind Chinese remarkable recent success?
Rapunzel said
5000 years of defeatism, cop outs and making lame excuses and all they’ve come up with is a million variations on the same old hackneyed tune of 没办法。人多。
EuroinChina said
Rapunzel,
very true what you say. very true. Can you please contact me. No worries, I am in the same boat as you and want exchange experiences. Mail me, and lets exchange our Skype-ID and talk.
Thank you!
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Miguel said
@rapunzel
my chinese wife is EXACTLY the same as yours. i lived in china for 9 years. Your story could be mine 1:1. My one is exactly the same as you described here, same actions, same words….However, I couldn’t stand this inhuman sick life with that narcississtic creature called “chinese wife” of mine anymore and decided to do a necessary step in my life, one step further than you indeed and along with my kid. For the sake of my kids mental and physical health as well as mine.
you would be surprised what her reaction was. And not saying here what it was what I did, I can ASSURE and GUARANTEE you that your so called “wife” will react EXACTLY the same. Since they are both chinese they will act according to a scheme. I know that because what you wrote, I could have written myself about my chinese “wife”!
Many married firiends in china also experience the SAME as well, like you described before. They are all the same lil poor insecure high-heels women in that pisstrap china. Sad that we have fallen in and wasted our time with a useless species who doesn’t even know how to act like a human being.
I might add that, and that’s something you probably suspect of her but naturally you won’t speak it out. I can tell you that the feeling about “that thing” you MIGHT have is most probably true. Chinese “wives” are even worse and lost. Mine is. I won’t talk about that here and now.
Would you mind to contact me? I would like to chat with you (Skype?) about it to exchange our experiences, strategies, solutions and perhaps it will help us both to cope and maybe solve this terrible mistake in our lives of having married a xxxxx aka chinese “wife” in china.
my email address is:mgcoeu@gmail.com
regards,
Miguel
justrecently said
I won’t enter a competition with you by producing equally olibanum-sated statements about my country, 011, as easy as it could be done.
I don’t think this blog would anger you if it had nothing to do with real life in China. The nice thing about blogging is that there are alternative sources of information – from Mylaowai to Hiddenharmonies, from RFA to the Global Times and the Confucius Institutes.
The effect of this blog on you, however, isn’t good. Your anger makes you ramble. For your information, capitalism isn’t democracy. Capitalism without rules has a tendency to become monopolist and to keep most people dependent on a few. That’s why it fits in China. And terrorists are terrorists. Their existence can help science to explore twisted minds, but they can’t help to explain the world. They hit power brokers, charwomen, natives and evil foreigners alike.
Of course there are people in China who aren’t bitching as much as you are, 011. They are either too busy to care, too afraid to speak out (because your authorities are, to some degree, protecting foreigners), they may accept foreigners as guests of the country, or subscribe to the idea that their presence would be a necessary temporary evil to get the country more developed. There may be many reasons, and neither you nor I, for obvious reasons, have opinion polls at hand to assess these opinions and their shares.
The kind of foreigners you criticize do certainly exist. I’m sure that you continuously run into exactly that kind of foreigners, because of the kind of human being that you are yourself. There are many Chinese people, too, who are exactly of their kind. If you want to improve your country, make sure that you address the actual problems. And if you think that the foreigners are the problem, and that your government is accountable, make sure that the authorities kick all foreigners out – if that’s indeed the will of the people.
As I said, I don’t think that reading this blog can help you. How does such a blog help people different from you?
Example – when I came across it first, about three years ago, I found that it expresses feelings – and sometimes facts – about China you would hardly find elsewhere. Since then, the public perception in countries like mine has changed to a degree, partly “thanks” to friendly brainwashed Chinese people overseas who, in 2008, told our media that they were “muzzling their voices” on the Tibet issue, and then went to try muzzling the voices of overseas Tibetans here, and of any small shop along their way that displayed incorrect posters.
If you were at peace with yourselves, foreign criticism wouldn’t anger you – after all, it comes with no consequences. The problem is that your self-respect depends on the respect of others. That is a home-made problem, and it’s at home where you should try to solve it. As I wrote before – if it helps you to get rid of foreigners, send them home. You will probably realize that you have only addressed an ersatz problem, but at least you’ll have explored the option.
It’s indeed up to you and the CCP, and some foreign bile won’t change that.
But noone can stop foreigners from observing your attitude towards them, and reflecting on your attitude and its repercussions. That’s certainly my main issue. Global democracy can’t work when one of the stakeholders is China as it is today. Brainwashing works on people to varying degrees. But the way your authorities control information that must or must not reach its citizens is a brainwashing operation indeed.
But obviously, you are free to stay in denial. You can go from Hobbes to Rousseau, from Confucius to a rural entrepreneur hat-in-hand for evidence supporting your “point”. You can complain about others who take note of attitudes like yours. And as a by-product, that’s sometimes insightful for people like me.
0112337 said
JR, that’s quite a long reply you wrote there. You have made many points. Let me condense them to the following.
1. You think I try to make my country look rosy, without accepting reality. My anger implies the statements on this blog is true.
2. Capitalism isn’t democracy.
3. Terrorists are terrorists.
4. There are many reasons why other Chinese aren’t “bitching”.
5. This blog serves to expose reality, mentality of Chinese people, for the benefit of European and Western society in general.
6. Tibetans.
7. I come here and vent because I have low self-respect.
8. My rant and its repercussions.
JR, let me address these problems one by one.
1. The assertions on this blog is true, but only as sarcastic caricatures of reality. Farcical and damaging in themselves. So you can get angry when I call you a Nazi, the Americans here can also get angry when I call their country a village, their people, farmers, but it should be expected that Chinese people WILL NOT get angry when something similar is thrown at them by MYLAOWAI.COM ? Because it is the truth?
Why do you get angry when I call you a Nazi? When it is the truth that your nation tried to systematically WIPE OUT an entire race of people? Why do Americans get angry when I call them farmers even though their nation’s only well known cuisines are fast food burgers and steaks? Surely they should just suck it up and pretend not to care! It’s the truth after all! Why do I read “chink” this and “chink” that here? Are these westerners angry because they lack in ‘self respect’?
I am not lacking in self respect, but I will certainly call you a Nazi from now on, and when I have the chance, I will teach my Chinese brothers and sisters to see Americans as farmers in the same vein as how MYLAOWAI is doing it here. Because you know what? This type of evil, cynical, arrogance is lacking from the other side. This “truth” is nonexistent and the Chinese people need to see you Westerners as you truly are.
No Chinese person ever address Germans as Nazis, Americans as ‘farmers’, even though Germans are some of the haughtiest Europeans out there with a known history of scientific, ethnic cleansing, and Americans have absolutely no culture. The Chinese word for Germany is “德国”, or the “Virtuous State” and for America, “美国”, or the “beautiful nation”. The term ‘Nazi’ is a caricature, a la MYLAOWAI, and I think it is more than apt as a term to address all Germans here. Barbarians are not smart or sophisticated enough to understand that when you deal with others, no matter how poor or whatever they are, they must be treated with respect.
2. Think, my Nazi friend. Capitalism is the ruling principle of generating surplus value. You cannot generate surplus value without catering to the demands of the common man. Thus, a world ruled by capitalism seeks to address the needs of the vast majority, the common earth citizen. This is democracy. Think outside the box. I can write you a book by filling in the details on the specifics but I will leave you to figure that out.
3. No, terrorists fight to preserve their way of life and to address wrongs that have roots in cultural and religious differences. If America and the E.U. stop supporting the Zionist Jews in their oppression of Muslim Palestinians and stop dictating muslim nations, telling them to do this and that with no respect, terrorism will greatly decrease. Do you Europeans know how much the Palestinians suffer? Search Youtube or Google. Yet you do nothing. Shame on you. The muslims are united not by nationality but by faith. They are bound to help one another according to their religion. So this means, when you hurt one muslim brother (the palestinians), you hurt all of them. The most fanatical and uneducated ones will try to avenge this and blow you up.
Terrorism is the fight led by the common man, with the tool and trade that he has, against the ‘machine’, the oppressive governing entity that refuses to address his pain. They are freedom fighters, they resort to unlawful and dangerous ways because THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. They have no other options. You “Westerners” didn’t leave them any.
4. No they don’t, no, they DIDN’T, until now. Do you know why? It’s not because “they don’t care”, “they are too busy”, or some other bullshit. They couldn’t. China was not strong enough to shake off the arrogant insults you careless Westerners hurled at it. Thanks to Chairman Hu Jintao, Chinese people now have the political, military, and economical power to say, “NO, FUCK YOU. LEARN TO RESPECT OTHER CULTURES AND COUNTRIES. THIS MEANS THE WAY THEY LIKE THINGS DONE, NOT HOW YOU WANT THEM DONE. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL US HOW TO LIVE, JUST LIKE WE ALSO HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE YOU TO LIVE ACCORDING TO OUR BELIEFS. WE DO NOT LIKE YOUR BULLSHIT OF MOB RULE, A.K.A DEMOCRACY, WE WILL NOT FOLLOW IT AND WE WILL NOT FORCE OUR SYSTEM ONTO YOU.”
I don’t know how the southern Chinese men will react, but I know that my response is the typical Northern Chinese man’s response. No self respecting Northern Chinese men will ever allow fuckheads such as this MYLAOWAI to insult their home. We are not like the mild and gentle Shanghainese, we are descendants of Genghiz Khan. We fuck up arrogant westerners in my city. Don’t believe me? Come to the North and see for yourself.
And take this to heart. No Chinese person will ever speak as frankly as I. I have been Americanized, so I have lost much of the natural code of refined, indirect politeness practiced in Chinese society. I am impartial to politics or nationalism. And I also hold a U.S. blue passport but I am a Chinese at heart. I will tell you what both sides are thinking and saying.
If there is anything you westerners should learn from my writing, be it rant or insight, is that YOU CANNOT JUDGE OTHER NATIONS OR FORCE OTHER NATIONS TO FOLLOW YOUR STANDARDS. Doing so, no matter how friendly you may be in the process, will end up in conflict and hatred. The Chinese people do not naturally hate. They HATE YOU because they interpret your actions as arrogant insults hurled at their country. The average Westerner is not sophisticated or smart enough to understand this, that’s why they don’t understand Chinese people.
The Chinese people want to follow their own way of doing things, and they are understanding enough to NEVER IMPOSE THEIR BELIEFS ONTO YOU. You can take that as truth from me. Trust me on this.
0112337 said
5. You and all Germans are linear thinking Nazis/Robots, in capable of circular, human thought. Americans are all farmers. French are natural born fuckers that fuck each other constantly like rabbits and they eat nothing except frogs. Frenchmen are gay. Russians are white slaves of European society. British are cold, selfish bankers, they hate the French. And the Spaniards, Greeks, Italians, lizards, cockroaches, termites, etc., are lazy, uninspired, third world E.U. monkeys that try to take advantage of the E.U. and Germany in particular. These fuckers, no matter where they came from, all hate the sand-niggers (muslims), no matter which hole in the middle east they crawled out of.
There! That’s the real mentality of the Europeans and I write this for the benefit of young/old Chinese people reading this.
DO YOU GET MY POINT? IF YOU DON’T TAKE IT AS TRUTH FOR YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE REAL TRUTH.
6. For those European expats viewing this from China right now. Imagine there was a movement in China where Chinese people lobby, protest, and organize movements for the creation of a new nation in the E.U. called “Islamic Euramabad”, a region somewhere near Southern Spain or Eastern Greece (so that it may be historically justified), completely outside E.U. federal jurisdiction and ruled by muslims. White, tall, blonde, blue eyed, Dutch + Scandivanian girls will be periodically sent into Islamic Eurabia as rape offerings to appease this new state. Illegal muslim immigrants found in China will be secretly given money to voice their hurt, true or made up, during these mob protests, to wake the common sympathy in the Chinese people to see the evil that exist in E.U. society.
Americans, imagine there is a movement in China, instigated by the Chinese government, for a “Bubbaland” or a “State of Dirty Sanchez” some where near Georgia, Alabama, Texas, or New Mexico. This place pays no tax but gets YOUR tax benefits, enjoy free, top notch, health care, AND is completely outside federal jurisdiction. Moreover, Spanish is the mandatory language spoken there, and English is a second language. The Chinese government propose to lead mass demonstrations by Chinese people to try to pressure America into creating this black/hispanic state because it feels it has a “moral obligation” to end the oppressive racism that exists in America.
HOW DO YOU WESTERNERS FEEL? DO YOU GET MY POINT?
7. No, FOOL. I come here to bring light to you barbarians so that you may understand how other people think, so you may learn your own foolishness, and there may be world peace.
I don’t hate foreigners, nor do I see them all as evil. Fool, I date one, and it looks like I might marry her.
I hate foreigners who think their moral, cultural standards should be the norm for the rest of the world. I am writing this to help wake them up to reality so they may be spared the hurt and cynicism when they discover reality by themselves later.
I constantly work myself to death to the benefit of foreign firms and foreign countries because I just HATE foreigners. Yep, can’t stand them.
8. My hope for the repercussions of the rant is that Westerners will understand that the rest of the world do not and will not follow your standards of doing things. Learn to see the benefit of other methods, from other peoples.
Chinese people are far too nice and polite to openly criticize your gaucheness in public, that’s why they first explain to you why you are wrong in cyberspace, and then show their “hatred” online. Your stupid mind can’t handle it, so you label them insane and call them “fenqing”.
Open your mind, the world is a diverse place. Respect this. Understand that the Chinese people know this already and they WILL NOT impose their system of doing things onto you.
YOU can practice whatever social ideology you want, but that the sphere of its influence lies within those regions you control ONLY. If you extend that to other people’s territory, they will hate you and fight you.
0112337 said
And here is one final piece of truth. Take it as given.
Chinese people know that Europeans, in general, have a higher standard of living. They also know that Europeans, although very friendly, view Chinese people as backward and poor. They see Europeans’ good intentioned, kind advice for promoting development as cultural imperialism and an insult.
It is an insult precisely because it implies that China is not the best, and that is something the Chinese people as a race cannot stand. The Chinese people and nation will have no peace until it is number one in all fields, and it will try its best, in whatever way, to attain it.
Therefore, in order to return to the status of major superpower in the world, its rightful place, the Chinese people are working to their death to build their homeland, to save face…all for an image.
If you want to understand Chinese mentality, that’s it right there. Chinese people will act as if they lack self respect (because they know their country is imperfect and not No. 1 right now), but deep down inside, all of them are wishing for a more perfect China. A superpower that is strong politically, economically, and militaristically, with a fair judicial system, that is well respected and feared throughout the world. A beacon of peace and justice for mankind.
A new Rome in the western sense.
MyLaowai said
Right, so to keep it all clear…
“Thanks to Chairman Hu Jintao, Chinese people now have the political, military, and economical power to say, “NO, FUCK YOU…””
Yes, or at least you think so. And the evidence is everywhere. They used to say Chairman Mao instead of Hu Jintao. But what’s the difference, really? They’re both butchers and thugs who would face a short drop with a sharp stop for Crimes Against Humanity, if there were any true justice in this world.
“The Chinese people want to follow their own way of doing things, and they are understanding enough to NEVER IMPOSE THEIR BELIEFS ONTO YOU. You can take that as truth from me. Trust me on this.”
Um… Which Chinese people are you referring to? The Han who control the Party and the Red army? Or the Tibetans who are under the heel of the Han? Or the Uighurs who have seen their nation and their culture destroyed by the Han? Or the Mongolians who have seen their country torn in two? Or the Xia? Or the Dai? Or any of the other couple of hundred so-called ‘minorities’ who live in Potemkin villages and who have had their way of life and their culture and their language and their futures torn away? Which Chinese people was it you were talking about?
“the Chinese people know this already and they WILL NOT impose their system of doing things onto you.”
Tell this to the Vietnamese. Or the Hong Kongers. Or the Taiwanese. Or the Tibetans. Or the Nepalese. Or any one of a dozen other nationalities.
“YOU can practice whatever social ideology you want, but that the sphere of its influence lies within those regions you control ONLY. If you extend that to other people’s territory, they will hate you and fight you.”
And yet you fail to see the implications of this inside the annexed territories controlled by the Red Army. Read it back to yourself again, and consider your own words more carefully.
“to return to the status of major superpower in the world, its rightful place… A superpower that is strong politically, economically, and militaristically… that is well respected and feared throughout the world.”
And this is really the cause of your resentment, isn’t it? Well, sorry pal. Not in your lifetime, or your children’s, or your grand-children’s. Geopolitics just don’t work that way. Oh, I’m sure someone will give it a go, but the end result is likely to be glowing landscape for you. It just isn’t going to happen.
P.S. “we are descendants of Genghiz Khan“…?
Really? You are a Mongol? You told us you were Chinese.
0112337 said
Laowai, I wonder, what caused you to be so bitter and cynical about China? Can you share with us? I think the reason for this goes beyond petty theft by your workers, and pressure from work. Truth be told, I have yet seen a foreigner this bitter about something. Share with us, what’s happening?
Were you idealistic when you first came but found the country to be far more realistic than you?
I am a Northern Chinese person, born in Beijing, but went to the U.S. during high school, with Mongolian ancestry on my father’s side. My father’s family’s old home was in northwestern Dongbei. My mother is a Han and her family came from Anhui. Her grandfather was a Hui muslim that originally lived in Gansu. His family can be traced to Persian merchants who came to the region during the Yuan dynasty. I am a Mongolian Chinese American.
You know very well that China is a nation of many different groups of people. Today’s Northern Chinese have ancestry among many groups of people, such as the Khitan, Mongol, Manchu, Han, Turk, Korean, etc. Southern Chinese are more uniformly Han, they are the true Han Chinese.
China is a concept, like Rome. This concept is manifested through a unique culture, government and arts system, moral code of conduct etc. This is the system that the majority of these diverse groups abide by.
You, the sniveling sour grape, chose to look at the opinions of the minority. There will always be dissenters in any society.
Vietnamese defined their culture on copying Chinese culture while thwarting Chinese military encroachments. Northern Vietnamese are the descendants of Han dynasty Chinese colonialists. Don’t believe me? Research it.
“Well, sorry pal. Not in your lifetime, or your children’s, or your grand-children’s. Geopolitics just don’t work that way. Oh, I’m sure someone will give it a go, but the end result is likely to be glowing landscape for you. It just isn’t going to happen.”
Funny. That’s what my father said when he left for America during the 80s, when he was a banker working for the Bank of China.
Today he is saying, “What a fool I was. Had I stayed in China I would have done a lot better. Wang Qishan was my personal mentor.”
I wonder what you would say in the future when China’s economy becomes the biggest in the world with the world’s deepest and most sophisticated financial markets. What would you say when you see more and more fair, open, objective minded, Laowais go do business in China and end up making more money than you?
justrecently said
I constantly work myself to death to the benefit of foreign firms and foreign countries because I just HATE foreigners. Yep, can’t stand them.
Mhm. Yes… so that’s the difference. Capitalism is good when it is Chinese, and bad, when it’s foreign. Got it, I think.
Why do you get angry when I call you a Nazi?
You’ve called me a Nazi before. That has never angered me. It doesn’t even touch me. That’s not because I’d be a robot. It’s because I can’t take care of your problems. That’s your business.
Call ppl the names you like, descendant of Ghengiz Khan, the one who will talk more frankly than any other Chinese – the truth, the real truth, the truth after all, the truth from you. The truth is that this is bullshit, but sometimes informative to read.
Terrorists are terrorists. If you had a point, Palestinians in general would turn themselves into a sea of flames. Fortunately, for others and for themselves, they have no intention to do so. They will find their own ways of liberating themselves, from Israeli occupation as well as from the oppressors of their own nationality. They aren’t here to serve you as a projection screen for your personal peeves. They are Palestinians.
As for the way you condensed my previous comment, I suggest you do better before I reply in detail. I refer anyone who might care to read what I wrote before – #16.
0112337 said
“The truth is that this is bullshit, but sometimes informative to read.”
Lets play a simple logic game. If my truth is indeed bullshit, then it cannot be informative. There cannot be information in it. Yet, you say it is sometimes informative to read. This means, either my “truth” is not bullshit, or you get your information from true bullshit which you then peddle somewhere else.
So, which is it?
“Terrorists are terrorists. If you had a point, Palestinians in general would turn themselves into a sea of flames. Fortunately, for others and for themselves, they have no intention to do so. They will find their own ways of liberating themselves, from Israeli occupation as well as from the oppressors of their own nationality. They aren’t here to serve you as a projection screen for your personal peeves. They are Palestinians.”
You don’t talk to muslims very much do you?
Why don’t you enlighten us with a possible solution?
justrecently said
1. Lets play a simple logic game.
Your truths are bullshit. That you kept uttering them is informative.
2. You don’t talk to muslims very much do you?
I talk with muslims almost every day. If that is much or little – who cares?
Hans said
@0112337
you are Chinese?
impossible!
I can prove it!
0112337 said
@Hans.
It seems I can be Mongolian, American, or Black African according to the information I gave, or mix of all three.
1/4 chance, your pick. Choose wisely, eh?
:)
MyLaowai said
100% fucktard. Merry Christmas.
0112337 said
This blog is so stupid. Laowai, get off your blog. Go do something else. I quit.
:(
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